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I'm using EDS on a big project (news page not finished yet) and it works =
fine.
I haven't used the other libraries because I'm not a db expert and I don'=
t want to be one.
Win32lib is still on a development stage, but I think that's not that bug=
gy, maybe you could see some weird stuff, but the win32lib team had shown=
a special interest on fixing the bugs so it's not a big problem.
Give euphoria a try, it's easy and fast to devolp programs on it, and spe=
cial debugging them! (If you have thel full version you have more details=
to fix the problems).
Best Regards,
Guillermo Bonveh=ED
AKA: Knixeur, Red Knight, Caballero Rojo
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From: Ray Smith=20
To: EUforum=20
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Hi Chris,
> 1) Is there support for relational databases
The archives contain:
* a MySQL wrapper,
* a pretty new ODBC wrapper (this is not a full wrapper but I
think the basics work).
* Euphoria's own EDS database system.
I don't think any of these have been used on a big project yet????
not that I can recall hearing about anyway. I haven't used the MySQL
wrapper but the other two seem to work ok from my small amount
of playing.
> 2) I saw a win32 GUI Library, what controls does it support? More
> specifically, does it wrap dockables windows, etc?
Win32Lib is an excellent wrapper for the Windows API.
It has support for the majority of Windows features likes windows, button=
s,
toolbars, listviews, status bars, textboxes etc etc.
It is still being heavily developed and as such the odd bug still exists =
and
the
doco hasn't caught up yet.
You will find many many examples of reasonably simple demos using
Win32Lib.
>From my personal view I wouldn't start a major development project until
Win32Lib is a little more stable. Others might disagree?? I'd like to he=
ar
opinions of anyone who does disagree.
> 3) How does compiled Euphoria code compare to say (realistically) Visua=
l
> Basic?
Well, Euphoria in most cases are bound when distributed. This means the
runtime
interpreter and the source program is merged together for ease of
distribution.
I have never done any benchmarks against any of language ... but then aga=
in
I have
never had the need for more speed with Euphoria.
If you are planning any type of business software with Euphoria will have
power to burn.
There is also a translator available that translates your Euphoria progra=
m
to C which you can then compile .... which "might" increase the speed
somewhat.
The amount of increase has been debated on the list on and off for a few
months.
> Also, If anyone knows of a compiled GUI program that demonstrates the
> power of Euphoria could you please post the link?
I don't know of any large applications ... the best bet is to look throug=
h
the recent user contributions. I don't think you will find what your
looking
for though. (Maybe the IDE is a good example???)
> I'm trying to save myself a few months of development by finding a
> substitute language I could use for this project. I've made database
> programs in C++ before, and I don't want to go there again.
For windows development I don't think Euphoria is the tool to save yourse=
lf
time writing software.
Although the base language is very stable and fast, it by itself won't he=
lp
you
do anything in Windows. All the windows add on libraries are written by
users
you graciously give there code to the community. This in most cases mean=
s
bugs are more prominent, documentation is lacking and support is given
by a few devoted users.
My tool of choice for writing "business" type software for Windows would =
be
Visual Basic or Delphi.
Visual Basic (VB) has many knockers (especially around here on the Euphor=
ia
list)
and in some regards VB is very inefficent (the word bloatware was probabl=
y
conceived
by a VB programmer!) but for a development tool that helps you to deliver=
a
project
to a client on time with required functioanlity I don't thin anything com=
es
close.
If the size of your projects distribution is a major concern I'd suggest
Delphi.
Ray Smith
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<DIV>I'm using EDS on a big project (news page not finished yet) an=
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works fine.</DIV>
<DIV>I haven't used the other libraries because I'm not a db expert=
and I=20
don't want to be one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Win32lib is still on a development stage, but I think that's n=
ot that=20
buggy, maybe you could see some weird stuff, but the win32lib team =
had=20
shown a special interest on fixing the bugs so it's not a big=20
problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Give euphoria a try, it's easy and fast to devolp programs on =
it, and=20
special debugging them! (If you have thel full version you have mor=
e=20
details to fix the problems).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> Guillermo Bonveh=ED</DIV>
<DIV> AKA: Knixeur, Red Knight, Cabal=
lero=20
Rojo</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dfromshowfield><U><I>From:</I></U><B> Ray Smith=20
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Chris,<BR><BR>> 1) Is there support for relational databases<BR>=
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How does compiled Euphoria code compare to say (realistically)=20
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=20
have<BR>never had the need for more speed with Euphoria.<BR>If you =
are=20
planning any type of business software with Euphoria will have<BR>p=
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burn.<BR><BR>There is also a translator available that translates y=
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Euphoria program<BR>to C which you can then compile .... which "mig=
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increase the speed<BR>somewhat.<BR>The amount of increase has been =
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yone=20
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Euphoria could you please post the link?<BR><BR>I don't know of any=
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example???)<BR><BR>> I'm trying to save myself a few months of=20
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project. I've made database<BR>> programs in C++ before, and I d=
on't=20
want to go there again.<BR><BR>For windows development I don't thin=
k=20
Euphoria is the tool to save yourself<BR>time writing=20
software.<BR>Although the base language is very stable and fast, it=
by=20
itself won't help<BR>you<BR>do anything in Windows. All the w=
indows=20
add on libraries are written by<BR>users<BR>you graciously give the=
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to the community. This in most cases means<BR>bugs are more=20
prominent, documentation is lacking and support is given<BR>by a fe=
w=20
devoted users.<BR><BR>My tool of choice for writing "business" type=
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software for Windows would be<BR>Visual Basic or Delphi.<BR>Visual =
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Euphoria<BR>list)<BR>and in some regards VB is very inefficent (the=
word=20
bloatware was probably<BR>conceived<BR>by a VB programmer!) but for=
a=20
development tool that helps you to deliver a<BR>project<BR>to a cli=
ent on=20
time with required functioanlity I don't thin anything=20
comes<BR>close.<BR><BR>If the size of your projects distribution is=
a=20
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