RE: fixed windows
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Aug 05, 2003
On 5 Aug 2003, at 21:44, Peter Willems wrote:
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> gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
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> <lots of previous stuff snipped>
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> > And you are saying since you don't need the option, i should be forced
> > to do
> > without?
>
> > So again, you don't need it, so i can't have it.
>
> > By your previous tone, i suspect that means you are against them. So
> > far,
> > you are against everything i suggest but threads. How unexpected.
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> > I'm sure you won't like it, and will vote to keep it from me in Eu.
You snipped telling me here that i am not the only one using Eu. As if i didn't
know that. The condescention and patronising bothered me more than
anything.
> > Golly, really? Are you the only one who matters then? If Robc includes
> > goto,
> > you think throngs of mad programmers will descent on you next fullmoon
> > and
> > force you to re-write all your code with goto?
>
> Come on Kat, you behave like a little kid that doesn't get
> her way of doing things.
And the way some people argue against an OPTION like goto in Eu is
bordering on pathological.
> As I said in several posts before,
> I don't mind if certain things would be implemented in Eu, as
> long as it won't loose it's appeal to me. If it does, I'll simply
> move on to another language. I've done that many times over the
> last 22 years.
Me too. Since 1979. Eu has the most promise to be the best (fast, easy to
learn and code in, most user options, and small footprint) language.
> > Yes, stop thinking of the program and it's flow, and engineer a
> > workaround
> > that the programming language will allow.
>
> I'll repeat my point here: goto is not needed in a language 
> Maybe it helps to understand my pov when you know that I got
> my programming education based on Pascal.
Sure goto isn't needed. And sure i didn't mind stopping everything for an hour
the other nite to work out a while loop with new flag vars and some exit
statements, when a simple goto was all that was needed. I could have typed
hundreds of goto and got clear code, when now i have a cursed mess of exit
flags and loop controls. I wrote in Turbo Pascal for 6 yrs too.
> > And you think Eu is written in Euphoria?
>
> I don't know with Eu, but many languages are indeed started
> as a small sub-set interpreter and then further developed in
> the actual language itself. The Python interpreter is largely
> written in Python and most Java pre-compilers are indeed written
> in..... yep, Java. This is actually where the term "bootstrapping"
> comes from.
> It's very well possible that Eu was developed in the same way.
I doubt it. TP was bootstrapped this way. I have the source for TP5.
> > It's already apparent he is out of time, whether i say anything or not.
>
> So how did he manage to release the last update then ?
Late.
> > Mirc is hardly restricted to "a very (VERY) specific application area*.
> > Just
> > because it has one screen format for irc does not mean it cannot just as
> >
> > easily handle other tasks. What you are saying is like saying feet are
> > for
> > walking with, and if you have no feet, you cannot move at all. Or feet
> > should
> > not be used to play soccer with. Or hair should be worn the way you say,
> >
> > and worn any other way is confusing.
>
> I really don't see my company developing enterprise solutions
> with mIRC for our clients, but I can use Euphoria, Python,
> Erlang, Modula, Pascal, Oberon, etc. fine for that.
> These are all multi-purpose languages, mIRC is most certainly not.
Just because no one is using it for "enterprise" coding does not mean it
could not do the task. Jeeze, you are dissing it soley for haveing a built-in
irc
interface! Can you think outside the box at all? I remember when C was
called a dead language, when i was laughted at for wanting to use Python for
anything, yet now you say they are all "enterprise" languages. You know
what?,, i still say the moon orbits the earth, and i bet some on this list will
argue against that.
Kat
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