Re: religious viewpoints

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On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, BABOR, JIRI wrote:

> What a pain, but have to agree with Ralf: from here it also looks the whole
>  North
> American subcontinent has already been thoroughly brainwashed into believing y
ou
>  can
> earn the respect of your fellow citizens by simply mindlessly repeating
>  obnoxious
> slogans. Jiri
>

Sadly, this is what starts flame wars...


On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:

> Some1 beliefs are a personal thing, standing up and expressing those beliefs
> is "dominant" behaviour. And certainly isn't worth any respect.

Religion is an organization that many people use to socially interact
based on their beliefs about supernatural stuff.  Would is be obscene to
state a belief that "coke is better than pepsi"?  People are also
organized geographically, would putting your country in your sig be
"dominant behavior"?  We are all organized together as Euphorians and we
hold strong beliefs about the Euphoria language; beliefs that can easily
get offended by suggestions for changes, etc.  The fact that there is
overlap between the groups of Christians and the group of Euphoria
programmers should not be a bad thing.  It would allow more social
interaction between those who share the most common beliefs.

> Furhtermore, religion is not central to every1, for me it is a cultural and
> historical thing, and nothing more. But then again, maybe that too can be
> considered a religion.. however it doesn't play any role in programming.
>
> Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
> nieuwen at xs4all.nl
>

As a Christian, I try to make God part of my everyday life, even when
programming.  For an anecdote, I was trying to track down a bug in my
ModWave project that was causing memory to get corrupted.  PatRat and
Einar Mogen had discovered the bug while trying to use ModWave in their
games.  I struggled with finding the bug in the huge asm procedures and
complex memory structures for weeks.  I couldn't even reproduce the bug
until Einar sent me a copy of his game.  It was driving me insane, I
couldn't sleep at night, so I stayed up late debugging and removing code,
hoping the corruption effect would disappear.  Sort of a divide and
conquer approach.  And still I couldn't find it.  Then finally a couple
days ago, I threw in the towel and prayed to God to help me find the bug.
The next day, I stumbled onto the definition of the popa instruction and
realized that it did not save the segment registers as I had previously
thought.  I changed the code to save those registers and, lo and behold,
no memory corruption.  Was it a coincidence that I found that info only
after praying?  I don't think so; I'm giving God the credit for that one.

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