Re: New to Euphoria and GUI

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:01:27 +1200, Ray Tomes <rtomes at ihug.co.nz> wrote:

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> Greetings All
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> I am new to Euphoria

Hi Ray. Welcome to the community. There are many people here who can help 
you with learning Euphoria. Just ask away!

> and GUI programming, although an experienced=20
> programmer. I was looking around for a decent tool for programming=20
> because QBASIC limitations were annoying me and I wanted to write a=20
> couple of programs that would be used by a other people and so needed to=
> =20
> look nice and be easy to learn to use.
>
> I found Euphoria and have decided that this is really a great tool for=20
> what I want to do, and it is clear that there are lots of people doing=20
> many of the things I want to do with Euphoria, and this forum is very=20
> active. Great! I have downloaded about a hundred things already.
>
> Clearly a number of people have put a great deal of effort into Win32Lib=
> =20
> and many other tools available.  However being inexperienced in GUI I=20
> cannot understand the jargon and the help information in Win32Lib.

[snip]
Windows programming is difficult for many reasons, one being that getting 
information about it is hard. Another is the complexity that can be 
involved. The various Windows libraries that have been written for Euphoria 
attempt to simplify the experience, but at some stage you can't get away 
from having to learn some *very* new things.

> If anyone knows of a web site or DLable help file that gives a basic=20
> course in GUI terminology and the possible values for flags, options etc=
> =20
> then I would like to know about that.

The ultimate reference is Microsoft's SDK (Software Development Kit) for 
Windows. This is downloadable but is simply ENORMOUS ( 
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/platformsdk/sdkupdate/ ). You can also 
order the CD from Microsoft which has a nominial shipping cost. A problem 
with the SDK is that there is just so much information in it. Until you get 
some practice with using it, it can take awhile to find the tiny snippet 
that you are looking for. But in spite of this, it is invaluable.

There are many sites on the web that say they teach Window programming - 
some are okay and others no so much. You may have to experiement a bit with 
them.

The best book available is Charles Petzold's "Programming Windows" ( 
http://www.charlespetzold.com/pw5/index.html ) now in its 5th edition. Try 
getting a second hand copy off Amazon or similar site. Its around $US42.

As for a simple ... "what are the flags I can use?" This is asked very 
often so I may be I could pick out the info from the Microsoft 
documentation and present it in the win32lib docs. There are LOTS of values 
though.

You mention you are new to GUI programming. The style of coding for GUI and 
non-GUI is quite different and if you need help, just holler and we can 
give you some hints.


-- 

cheers,
Derek Parnell

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