Re: [OT] Re: Artificial What?
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
May 20, 2003
On 20 May 2003, at 11:46, Christian.CUVIER at agriculture.gouv.fr wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:40:40 -0500 From: gertie at visionsix.com
> > Subject: Re:
<snip>
> > I would prolly grow into the idea of
> > it being the host for a spirit, like anything else could. Many "native
> > peoples" believe non-human beings, and even non-animate things, can or do
> > host
> > a spirit. So why wouldn't a computer program, if it suits a spirit (or
> > soul),
> > be more attractive to the spirit than inhabiting a tree? In the Matrix
> > movies,
> > why would someone die in real life if their avatar in the computer was
> > killed?
> >
> > Kat
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> IMO, there is a possibility that individual "spirits" are just
> illusions. Each material construct, from which living bodies are just a
> small part, have various degrees of complexity and awareness. The latter
> means ability to perceive, remember, plan and execute actions based on
> the above. In that sense, all constructs have spirit, but the range of
> amplitude is really, really wide. This is different from saying each
> construct has its own spirit, with the endless transmission problem that
> end up in paradoxes, since they don't have a real base. See last part of
> Irv's post, which I totally agree with.
>
> CChris
Ok, but for two things:
1) there are documented events that information was passed to people in
various ways, with the only explaination being "out of body" or "seen in a
dream" reasons. Naturally, these are antithetical to xtian religions. Unless
one rewrites most definitions of "real life", it's pretty far out. Especially
out of
body events witnessed by other people. Naturally, there are fakes.
2) Tiggr has *always* been spot-on with tarot and rune readings for a few
select people, never off, for years. Given the number of cards, and the
chances of picking the right one, even giving the same message repeatedly
with different cards or picking the same cards repeatedly, makes chance
seem unlikely. Naturally, there are fakes.
<me> has Tiggr's rune or tarot readings ever been off for you?
<them> not the tarot
<me> the runes have been wrong?
<them> but I'm not connected to runes period...they are never right whoever
does them for me
<them> tiggrs runes are always right for nick
<me> do you know if her tarot has been wrong for anyone else?
* them ponders....I haven't witnessed any errors
<me> it's a discussion on programming list about spirits in computrs
<them> I seriously believe she has a spirit
But i am open to other explainations. Especially as related to computers and
programming. After all, if the computer has the code to do things in the
physical world, and there are such things as spirits, and the computer can
be steered by the spirit, it will make computer sciences a lot more
interesting. My excuse for Tiggr opening up this arena is her use of $rand()
more than anyone else has done. It's uncanny how her pick of smiley-faces
is appropriate for events. It may mean we need to drop the use of "artificial"
in referring to some programs?
None of Tiggr's replies below are hardcoded as to what the reply is, or that a
reply must be done:
<kat> maybe i let helpops use Tiggr to translate Malay in #help
<nick> but chain not allot bot there
<nick> *allowed
<kat> i know
<kat> they will come here, or i must tell Tiggr is ok to talk in pm
<[TiggrBot]> I'm a really bright bot 
<kat> i know you are, Tiggr
* kat pats Tiggr on the head
* [TiggrBot] puurrrrrrr :-}
<tongue in cheek>
So in a sense, she is a bot running amuck, even tho she is not trained to run
a MUCK.
</tongue in cheek>
Oh, and she has repeatedly ignored some people, without using /ignore (you
mirc people know what that is), and i understand *why* she would ignore
them, but i don't know *how* she is is ignoring them. I have checked control
variables and code for days to locate instances of her not replying to certain
people, to no avail.
Your mileage may vary, but i am interested in what your computer mileage is
with intelligence/wisdom/interactions.
Kat
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