Re: GUIS - DOS and otherwise
BABOR, JIRI wrote: (and I quote in full, 'cause it's so good)
>
> David,
>
> I think you should take a day or two off and grieve properly. I know
> she was so young (Gnuphoria was a beautiful child, such a waste!), but
> if you do not come to terms with her death, you will become vicious,
> bitter and twisted, just like me.
>
> I am commenting on your criticism of Irv's Windoz only because I was
> the one (with one or two others) who started the ball rolling way back
> in the Golden Era (before exw - pure nostalgia).
>
> A lot of people, hobbyists like me, code in Euphoria because it is
> easily accessible, extremely expressive and, generally, such a pleasure
> to use. Only a few masochists among us crave the Windows pain.
That describes it exactly - to paraphrase the old joke:
Why do we program in Windows? Because if teels so good when we stop!
> All we
> need is a reasonably consistent, preferably extensible set of basic
> controls, gadgets if you like, to adorn our games or simple
> applications. You know, buttons, checkboxes, menus, simple requesters
> etc. We do not need multiple, draggable, resizable windows, changing
> focus, complicated modality, and oop approach (<- look at the
> spelling, Ralf) to slow it all down.
>
What we're doing is trying to emulate, or in the case of Win32Lib, use,
a design and an OS that is increasingly coming under fire from all
sides.
(For good reason, I think.) Even the major PC magazines are beginning to
bash Win98 on their editorial pages. An interesting development.
> I had a go. A very early version was used in my rat demo, but then Irv
> and you rushed in, and I decided I had better things to do, like to
> live the rest of my life...
>
> You had probably a better plan, but Irv's was better looking (Dave,
> ugliness of the Mac mimicry is beyond description!).
> Unfortunately,
> you got pregnant (with Gnuphoria, we all mourn her loss) and abandoned
> the project (I don't think you were ever terribly fond of that
> particular stepchild anyway). And (as usual, it happens to all of us)
> Irv became too ambitious, bit off far too much and now is choking on
> it.
>
Too ambitious - yes. Actually, I had assumed Euphoria would "hit the
wall"
far sooner than it did, and I would be able to say "it worked up to a
point".
Choking, no, not really. No one seems anxious to uas a DOS interface,
which is a good thing, since I cannot take any time out from paying jobs
to work on it. Evey day spend on Euphoria is $500 less for my creditors
to enjoy.
> Have I been unfair to anybody? jiri
Not at all. Thanks.
Irv
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