Re: An Experiment
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen wrote:
>...
> Making more people aware of David Cuny's
> editor can *really* increase the popularity of Euphoria. I do understand
> Robert's logical choice for the simple and low-end ED which will also run
> nicely on the slower machines and comes with far less complex code...
>
I have not said this before, because I didn't want to offend Rob, but
one of the things that Euphoria needs most (in my opinion) is to come
bundled
with Dave's editor. Maybe just the text gui version, to keep it smaller.
First impressions count, and I'm sorry to say that the ed. editor
doesn't make
a big impression compared to the IDE's that have come with other
languages
(Borland's, for example) since the 1980's. I do understand the reason
for the
easy-to-understand-and=modify editor, and would leave it in the package.
> Yet, a GUI is also a crucial tool, that you will need for any program.
> Robert should consider adding standard GUI include file, thats easy to use,
> and a lot less OOP-ish. (a message box, open window, make window, make
> button, and have an event () routine tell you what key was pressed, what
> mouse action occured, or what button was pressed. (you first declare an
> event) .. a sort of wait_event () routine, avoiding all the 'complex-to-use'
> OO-approuches. ....
The question is which GUI? I have tried every GUI package and library
that has
been mentioned on the listerver, except for OpenGL. Actually, I
downloaded
that too, but gave up after looking at the docs. I haven't found any yet
that
I could call easy to use, reasonably flexible, and fast.
Another decision is which platform? DOS or Win? Linux has it's own
GUI's,
which no doubt someone will adapt. Should Rob spend time on building a
simple
DOS gui, or designing a WinAPI wrapper? Tough choice.
>Or maybe just
> something like this on the WIN32 front. Dont tell me you're not planning to
> bundle some *real* win32 support with the next version of Euphoria, instead
> of assuming every Euphoric user has net acces and time to find the 3rd
> parties libraries you need to use for the most trivial things. Face it, the
> Win32 part is Alpha stage if not less.
>
Sadly, yes, despite the efforts of Dave Cuny, Jiri and others.
If it stays that way too long, a lot of potential Euphoria users
will be lost to other languages - that is no good for anyone,
especially Rob.
Hope this spurs further discussion.
Irv
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