Re: Euphoria's Future
Hi Ray ...,
I just read your mail below, so here is my opinion about euphoria's features.
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Euphoria is what it is and what Rob wants that it is. It will always be like
that.
Why not ?
I for myself showed it to my boss, the small programs, that it fits on a disk
the automatic "inner loop" with the sequences etc.
And then he asked me to change a few things on an existing Program with a
User-Interface.
(some Labels and Graphics that were made with winlib32).
We needed half a day to move all things where he wanted to have it.
Thats because we had to change the coordinates "by hand", re-run the program etc
...
Then he said "Ok, from tomorow we use VB6 and it will be done in 5 Minutes".
I did it and installed VB6 - it filled my harddisk with 300 MB (Visual Studio 6)
and my PC crashed several times from the heavy load since then.
BUT HE IS TRUE ... I can change existing Program surfaces in a tenth
of the time I could do it with EU. Its just a "drag and drop".
There are a lot of controls etc. simply missing and the Visual-Editor
with integrated Debugger is lengths away from what EU has at this time.
So for myself I made a simple decision: Small programms and DOS-Stuff in EU,
bigger Proggramms especially with a User-Interface only VB6 till I see
something like that in EU. Its done in the half time.
Speed ? VB6 compiles to native Machine-code.
I tested the Speed of the "string-engine" in VB6.
Did anyone knew that its multithreading by itself ? In my tests it (often)
used two processors, even though I was only running ONE programm and that all at
an
unbelievable speed (in string operations).
The only thing I am missing there is an built in "inline-assembler",
to use inline-assembly is definitely easier in EU as its only possible to call
things from an DLL. Most other things are as easy in VB.
So my wishes are similar to yours, but I must not wait as most of these things
are avaiable even though for bad luck not in EU .... 
--Theo Gottwald
http://www.theogott.de
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Smith [mailto:smithr at IX.NET.AU]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:48 AM
Subject: Euphoria's Future
Hi,
I know I know, ... I'm moaning again with my same old ideas ... and as
ck said I should be working on euAllegro anyway!.
I don't want to flood the list with my talk of cross platform GUI's
and an IDE to go with it ... that is my top wish ... I want to hear
what everyone else would wish for.
I guess what I'm proposing is a poll or survey where we can set up a
list of features that people are/might be interested in and everyone
can then vote for features they wish for with their priorities.
This way if we get hundreds of people voting for cross platform GUI
support we can ask Rob (nicely) saying all these people would like a
cross platform GUI ... or whatever feature is most requested.
We can also have a column .. "would you pay extra for the feature".
What does everyone think?
It seems to me Rob doesn't have a direction as to where Euphoria
is heading and for some reason that bothers me.
Maybe if all Euphoria uses stand together and asked
nicely we might be able to persude Rob to at least give some commitments
to investiagte users wishes and some ideas as to the future direction.
Here comes some waffle ...
If we can create a list of future enhancements (like above) and
some of the requests can be filled by standard libraries an option
might be for Rob to contract out jobs to be completed by users.
(Forgive me for what I'm about to say ... I got this idea from something
MTS said about him (MTS) joining RDS!)
There would be much to decide upon before starting like specs and delivery
and payment and support etc etc etc.
Maybe payment options include being paid a percentage of sales for the
addon where the addon is just an extra product from RDS.
Maybe the current IDE and Win32Lib projects could slot into this idea for
when v1.0 are achieved. This would give the developers a nice little
incentive plus a small reward.
Obviously these are just some ideas and the big guy (Rob) is in full
control to run RDS how he sees fit.
My perosnal view is that things seem to progress very slowly in Euphoria
circles and could do with some enthusiasm. (forgive me again ... like MTS!)
I know Euphoria is inexpensive but that doesn't mean it has to lack
features. I'm sure I've heard things on the list like ...
"I'd pay x dollars for Euphoria if it had a feature y."
Anyway ... what do people think of my crazy ideas?
cya
Ray Smith
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P.S An example survey:
Features you would like to see in Euphoria:
Where
1. Very desiable
2. Diserable
3. Useful
4. Maybe useful
5. Never use
Pay - How much would you pay for this feature
Feature 1 2 3 4 5 Pay
1. Full Featured IDE
2. Debug support with IDE
3. Cross platform GUI Tools
4. Namespace Enhancement
5. ODBC Data Access
6. ....
7. ....
etc
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