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Re: Do you currently use namespaces?

• Posted by Jeremy Cowgar <jeremy at c?w?ar.com> May 26, 2008
• 1084 views

ken mortenson wrote:
> 
> Jeremy Cowgar wrote:
> >how does include make it not modular?
> >I do not see how what you said is making Euphoria not modular?
> >Can you expand a bit?
> 
> Absolutely,
> 
> Keep in mind that a programmer can write code in a modular language that
> isn't modular and another could write good modules in a language that isn't
> supportive of that.
> 
> Good modules should have certain features.  
> 
> Decoupling is an important principle as well as the principle of
> information hiding.  They don't expose their internal structure but 
> do expose an interface.
> 
> What happens when you include a file?  Everything becomes exposed!
> This, needless to say, does not promote information hiding!
> 

That's not true at all.

-- greeter.e
constant greeting = "Hello"

procedure say_greeting()
    puts(1, greeting)
end procedure

procedure say_who(sequence who)
    puts(1, who)
end procedure

global procedure greet(sequence who)
    say_greeting()
    puts(1, ", ")
    say_who(who)
    puts(1, "!\n")
end procedure

-- myprog.ex
include greeter.e

greet("John Doe")
puts(greeting)
say_who("Jim")
say_greeting()

The above code is just an example showing

hello.e:4
greeting has not been declared
    puts(greeting) -- parse error, greeting is undefined.

say_who and say_greeting are also invalid. The are not global.

> Let me give you a real example.  I make it a matter of pride that if you
> get a function from me it is complete, works and you will have no problem
> adding it to your code.  I was writing a utility and needed a function
> that a guy I worked with had written.  He insisted I use his function.
> Being my nominal boss at the time it was difficult to refuse.  Anyway, I
> added his code to my tiny little utility and there was a problem.  It had
> ties that were dependant on other parts of his project.  So I had to include
> those (couldn't amputate because that was the nature of his code.)  This
> continued until finally my tiny little utility was the size of his major
> project.  At that point I got my boss involved and let him share some of
> my frustration (I'm generous that way.)  In the end, I wrote what I needed
> without the help of his function.  The guy was a really smart guy, but didn't
> really understand the concept or why it was important.  I find that very
> few programmers I've worked with really do.  This was not an isolated
> incident.

Hm, that happens anywhere, even in languages that you would consider modular.
That has nothing to do with include or with Euphoria.

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Jeremy Cowgar
http://jeremy.cowgar.com