Re: left, right? head, tail? which one?
Jason Gade wrote:
>
> CChris wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, but how many people today (not back in 1993) come to Eu after
> > non-Visual
> > Basic? My guesstimate is 0.
>
> *raises hand*
> I had (and still have) zero VB experience.
>
> >
> > What had attracted me in the language, in spite of all its drawbacks, is the
> > intuitiveness of sequences. I have read some stuff about it being hard to
> > hrasp,
> > all right, but I simply don't understand what the problem is, and hence of
> > how
> > to alleviate it.
> >
> > You know, Windows XP comes with some version of Python. Lots of newbie
> > programmers
> > will start, and have started, with Python.
>
> It does? That's news to me. Tell me, where is python in a standard XP install?
> Because the few times that I've used it (to run third-party stuff, not my own)
> I've had to install Python separately.
>
C:\Program Files\Python 2.2 iirc (not writing from home right now). On a brand
new machine I bought in Aug 2005 with XP Home. I assumed it was standard.
> > If they later come to Eu because
> > of the simplicity/performance mix, they won't be newbies in programming any
> > more. Add in a few that started tinkering with VBA/VBE at the office. Sure,
> > it's Basic, but already object Basic. And again, if these people come to Eu,
> > it's because they understand what they are doig, so are not real newbies.
> >
> > In a nutshell, I think that centering on what newbies are supposed to
> > understand
> > easily or not is not the right target for Eu, since people ocoming to it
> > nowadays
> > are usually not newbies in programming.
> >
> > CChris
>
> I agree that people coming to Euphoria aren't necessarily absolute newbies to
> programming, and that there are probably better systems out there for people
> who are absolute newbies.
>
> Of course, I don't see the relevance of the comment with regards to the quoted
> section.
>
The section mentioned that which routines to have and how to name them should
take the learning curve for newbies into account. To which I'm replying that
these are not the primary newcomers to Eu, and that, as a consequence, taking
these needs into account wasn't the right way to go imho. Is that irrrelevant,
really?
CChris
> --
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
> system that works.
> --John Gall's 15th law of Systemantics.
>
> "Premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming."
> --C.A.R. Hoare
>
> j.
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