RE: Acknowledgement
Hello Francis,
It appears I have upset and/or angered you somehow for which I can only
offer you an apology.
I was trying to inject a little humour into the discussion so next time I
don't think I'll bother.
Kind regards,
Andy Cranston.
-----Original Message-----
From: francis at gmx.co.uk [mailto:francis at gmx.co.uk]
Sent: 01 October 2002 15:03
To: EUforum
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Acknowledgement
I endevoured to say two things: of which, sockets libraries, is now
clarified. The only other thing I recollect
via "logs" is that I insisted various methods of acklowedgement are
"extreme". I still think they are
"extreme"; and somehow attacking my person or professional approach does not
deem my argument "invalid" Oh, I
am sorry. On a personal note to you both, check out the wider programming
community in general and you will
find it is divided over my argument. Unfortunatley, I am not a lone voice
but a voice of many. I never said any
of you could not, should not, or did not acklowedge. I only said this was
"extreme". Again, [collective] you
have failed to provide any compelling "argument" to shift my opinion at all.
Whether or not I have friends, and
how many, and how professional I am, should have no dictate on abstract
appraisal; this is ludicrous. I never
actually said I was unwilling to acklowedge others for the "contribution", I
just made point over the
definition of what a "contribution" was.
I remember a past post to this list, in which some person tried to release a
licenced library for int_to_bytes
() definition, in which he/she used allocate()/poke4() and peek4() over the
traditional mathematical method.
Yes, it was faster with that version, and yes many people had a problem with
its "licence". It is all a matter
of "perspective" is it not? The only thing shown to light here, is that my
perspective is different from yours
[plural].
Again, when it comes to "verbal skills", I have chosen my desired career in
computer programming, not an
English Professorship. I have no idea why this is at all relevant to my
point of extremism.
Attacking *me*, not my point, is *my* definition of "unprofessional" -
period. Should, at any point, I be
disallowed to quote "Petzold" for bibliography (it is my right) - Then I
again question your allegiance to your
democratic state (in calculated presumption).
Petzold has published a Book in entirety, which I would be ignorant to not
acknowledge as a source of origin.
In the land of academics you *have* to quote an *original* source - my very
question as to your [plural]
definition of "original". I hardly hold in the same category of "original" a
one line function which calls a
DLL, over a book published by Petzold as it's primary author. This is but
*arrogance* to compare. As a
statement to you both, *THINK* about it.
>Oh, we can, and do, handle such posts.
>
>The first thing I noticed was that the poster was a person with limited
>verbal skills.
>
>Furthermore, he seemed to be unwilling to credit others for their
>contributions. What possible reason could there be for this, unless the
>poster wanted to be able to claim the work as his own?
>
>Those were my first impressions, and first impressions count. Here, the
>worst that can happen is that you might be killfiled. When you
>eventually go looking for a real job, however, things will be
>different.You won't be the only person in the world with a PhD. Given a
>choice between a loud, boorish juvenile and a mature, courteous
>professional, guess which candidate is going to get the job.
>
>Think about it.
>
>Irv
There's a lot of 'you' in this post isn't there Francis? 
By all means share ideas and be thought provoking. If, during your
creative endeavours, you don't want to credit people for their help (either
because you don't have the time or you morally feel it is a bad thing to
do) then fine. No one can force you. But please please please don't
criticise other people for doing so.
Your quote:
"Work in the real world long enough and you will find not all people are
"polite". I am one of these people."
is surpassed only by a guy in a team I worked with last year:
"I don't come to work to make friends."
>He thought he was being "professional" with such an approach. Guess how
many friends he has?
>BTW I love the Petzold quote. After all your ranting about quoting and
crediting people being a waste of time you waste yours by quoting Charles
Petzold. The exact edition and page numbers is a really humourous and
ironic touch - thanks, it tickled me.
>Regards,
>Andy Cranston.
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