Re: Wishlist IDE * Has anyone an "old VB 4/5 CD" for Judith ?
Hi Judith,
I didn't want to say "make it look like VB". Because this seems to be really a
bunch of problems.
And its not always good to try to copy things.
Example:
In VB to change the Position of a control, you can write:
"Control1.X = 99"
how should that be "written" in Euphoria ?
Mayb as "Control1[xpos]=99: Rebuilt_Control1()"
The question as I see it is not:
"How can it be done like in VB ?" but
"How can it be done more easy or better then in VB ?"
using the possibilities Euphoria has.
And of course "with less work for Judith" AND urgent
"in a way to keep compatibility that all Euphorians will REALLY use it".
What do we have from all the incompatible Pre-Prozessors and
Language-enhancements that noone uses at the end ?
The last sentence is urgent. Because there is (I saw it yesterday) a (name: SPP)
"Structures-Pre-Processor" for Euphoria by Pete Eberlein. Mayn people complained
about "missing structures here ..."
but I didn't hear they want to use this pre-processor.
The problem is to integrate things in a way that the amount of using it is NOT
more then the normal amount of using "simple Euphoria".
A simple "doubt" about if that pre-processor is really "tested and safe" can be
the "I won't use it" for that maybe "great tool".
As the structure-"." is not an Element of the normal Euphorian-Language the
Sytem from VB could only be taken
if you use a preprozessor on the "original code". Be shure that if you decide to
do so, the needed amount of work increases
dramatically.
Here are some steps as a begin for a discussion about an "future IDE for
Euphoria".
Let me begin with ...
Another urgent diffrence to VB (*I really missed*) is, the VB-IDE can "reload" a
"already saved" File and then you can change the
"visual controls" (delete them, rename them) and VB itself changes the Code in a
way that it makes sense after the changes.
If you would ask me, this is the next feature I would like to see, because
everyone can use it without pre-processing files and there is a clear,
possible next step in development of the IDE.
Then as second step: In VB the Program "never leaves the IDE". Will say ...
In Euphoria you save the Program as ".exw" and you close the IDE and then you
work on the program "as if nothing has been".
So assume there would be an Editor integrated in the IDE. Then it would be
possible that the IDE has the "control" over the
code. And the code would "never leave the IDE".
As a third step maybe you could add a feature that "PlugIns" could be selected
and these "PlugIns" (anyone can write or use)
can use an Interface to access the code in the Editor and the Visual controls.
After that Point is done, changes are not more done "in the IDE" but there were
simply "PlugIns" added" to enhance Programming.
So someone can write an "Preprocessor-PlugIn" that could implement another
syntax-features e.g. structures.
In this case I think its urgent to save the "Source-code" (before pre-processed)
as well as the "processing-rules")
in the same file as a "REMarked" ( using -- ) part.
As the "processed" file is saved after the pre-processing its a for everyone
usable euphoria-file
AND you could load it back into the IDE and the IDE shows you the included
source-code you could work on.
But these things are a little bit difficult and I wouldn't try to go there to
early cause
I am not shure if most people would accept to use regularly a third preprocessor
in their "BIND.BAT" 
.
I think after the "code stays in the IDE" and there is a working Interface for
"third party-PlugIns" there could be a
faster development speed on these things.
Comments on this ?
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Here a necessary last word: Thanks for your work, Judith !
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-- Theo Gottwald
PS: Doesn't have anyone an old VB (4 or 5 ?) CD left to sent it to Judith so she
can test the "real VB" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Evans [mailto:camping at FLASH.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Wishlist IDE
Ok, I'm taking in ideas for the next look of the IDE.
Please, everyone, don't just say: make it look and act like VB. I don't know
VB, don't have access to it and can't download a big file anyway because our
ISP is stuck about 26,000 and times out.
I've gotten a few jpeg files sent to me and they help me understand how the
VB looks, but doesn't explain how it functions. I've gotten some basic ideas
from the pics, but it doesn't really answer all my questions.
So, I probably need specific instructions OR somebody added to the IDE
effort that can do that part.
Thanks,
Judith
On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 07:50:28 +0100, Gottwald, IT-IS T500, Fa. Compaq, DA
<T.Gottwald at DEUTSCHEPOST.DE> wrote:
>I just needed to change the title to Wishlist IDE. Maybe someday the right
person reads it ...
>Maybe we need an better IDE now and the structures later ...
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