Re: include statement bugs
Chris Bensler wrote:
Igor Kachan wrote:
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> > No, I do not. It seems, Chris are saying about stupidity.
> > So, he is the most educated and very-very clever here.
> > Isn't he? I do not think so, - that he is not.
>
> There are many people much more intelligent than me, and I give them the
> respect they deserve. However, people like Robert Craig deserve a swift
> kick in the head. Maybe it would shake loose that tidbit of wisdom he
> used to have.
All people have strongly identical rights on respectation.
Is it a big news for you?
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> I'm sorry I mentioned my std library project, it was an EXAMPLE! God
> dammit! I could care less if it's vaporware, and even a bad idea.
> It was an EXAMPLE!
I do not see a problem here.
> > Ok, it is great, I like competition, but he doesn't
> > say about competition.
> > He just wanted replace the standard copyrighted PD stuff
> > with some unknown stuff without any explanation,
> > what is so bad in the old well tested libraries.
> >
> > Reread, please, this thread to be sure about his problem.
>
> I never said any such thing, that I intend to 'replace' the RDS libs.
> I have the authority to do that.!?
> I said I am producing an alternative. There is a big difference there. I
> said I would like it if people were able to use both at once if they
> wanted. But I don't really care if they are compatible.
>
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
> > More than 1300 at all, but the specialized section
> > is not that big. And it is the very interesting.
> > If someone wants to be a writer of Euphoria
> > libraries - that section is the exclusively interesting
> > and rich on ideas.
>
> 1300? Other langauges have 130,000 or even 1,300,000.
> PHP is half the age of Euphoria, and has at least 100x more source code
> available for it.
Use PHP please, what a problem?
Do you program an application for Euphoria, or Euphoria itself?
If you want program Euphoria itself, pay for source code and
program all you want accordingly to licence.
2.5 will have 100% Euphoria front-end blok just for such
unusual ideas like extremely rare using of different
libraries with duplicated names.
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> Thankyou Alexander. You hit the nail on the head. It's not even about
> the names of the files themselves. But about our ability to organize our
> Euphoria source code more adequately.
> The fact that we can't use duplicate names, and the fact that Euphoria
> doesn't recognize paths, are the consequential flaws that bring the
> issue to the table.
>
>
> > No, it is not his problem.
>
>
> YES, that IS my problem.
> How many times do I have to say it Igor. My std libraries are an
> EXAMPLE!
See, please, the subject of this thread once more.
Chris, Euphoria does recognize paths very well and does the things
as it is documented.
>From any valid path it only uses the most important, almost
always copyrighted part - own name of the included library.
And doesn't include the second library with same name.
What about apologies for RDS and Robert H. Craig personally?
> > But c:\rds\file.e is copirighted standard library,
>
>
> No it isn't. file.e is absolutely public domain. Do as you please.
> You don't even have to give RDS any credit for using it, even if you
> modify it.
It is copyrighted as Public Domain by RDS.
RDS allows to give credit or not, it is RDS' right.
But I do not think someone does like insultings
for his Public Domain + excellent production.
You must go away with thanks or silently, if you do not
like free fish & chips.
Is it a big news for you?
What about apologies for RDS and Robert H. Craig personally?
> > and c:\chris\file.e is unknow for now some Chris's
> > or someone's else untested library.
> >
> > Chris says c:\rds\file.e is "crappy" but do not
> > want to tell us why it is so bad.
>
> Why should I waste my effort flogging a dead horse? It's quite obvious
> that you aren't willing to change. Many people here are perfectly happy
> with Euphoria how it is, and that is fine. But I for one, am NOT.
> Anyone who is interested in Empire (or not) is welcome to post their
> opinions on the Empire website. This isn't the place for it.
Ok, thanks for invitation, but I am afraid I have no enough free time
to visit the Empire, and, I am sorry, I am not familiar with emperor.
> > Yes I do, it is 11 years old well tested, well documented
> > behaviour of interpreter, translator, binder
>
>
> If its so well tested, and stable, why are there problem with it?
> Why does 90% of the Euphoria commmunity agree that Euphoira should
> recognize paths?
Again.
See, please, the subject of this thread once more.
Chris, Euphoria does recognize paths very well and does
the things as it is documented.
>From any valid path it only uses the most important, almost
always copyrighted part - own name of the included library.
And doesn't include the second library with same name.
What about apologies for RDS and Robert H. Craig personally?
> > There are many different logics in the World.
> > I prefer to not confuse two different file.e
> > in any case, and absolutely do not want
> > confuse copirighted well tested standard
> > file.e with something else.
>
> I don't see how you can confuse
> chris\file.e
> with
> igor\file.e
I have no chris\file.e nor igor\file.e, I have c:\euphoria\include\file.e,
and me very well knows, that file.e is copyrighted by RDS as PD and very
useful Euphoria library. Period, as you say.
I have nothing to confuse, and never will this way.
> Do you confuse your C:\ with your D:\ ? I hardly think so.
I am afraid, that someone wants confuse my C:\ with his C:\,
my D:\ with his D:\ and so on.
> > No, they are talking about libraries with strongly
> > identical filename.
> >
> > There are no such the libraries - with identical filename.
> > Only RDS file.e - old well tested, and some Chris' new
> > file.e for which he wants some new Rob's interpreter,
> > translator and so on.
>
> rds has a library names file.e
> I have a library named file.e
> unkmar has a library named file.e
> jason has a library named file.e
> sounds like kat has her own too..
> anybody else?
>
> They are ALL DIFFERENT.
> Those a REAL examples Igor.
Example of a poor programming, if it is true. I am sorry.
> > > > Irv did not find the libs with the identical names in other
> > > > languages for now.
> > > > Let us see the reason if he finds one.
>
> Show me when he said that.
> I'd like to see a quote. I've been following this thread, and I don't
> recall him mentioning anything of the sort.
See, please, the quote.
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Irv Mullins wrote:
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IK > > > > Do you know any other programming language with the duplicate
IK > > > > libraries names?
> > >
DP > > > Yes
> >
IK > > What it is, if it is not a top secret?
>
IM > C, C++, D, E, Eiffel ... this bores me.
IK Ok, sorry, but what the libraries names?
IK Be so kind, please, I'd like to see these libs,
IK just interested to understand the real reason of
IK doubling of those names.
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Without answer for now.
You must prove that your idea is really good.
I think, he is searching and looking for these libs.
I am sure, he will immediatelly tell us about found examples,
if he is interested in this issue, naturally.
> > > The reason isn't that there are libraries with identical names,
> > > but there could be. Only wait a few years. Maybe there are 10000 user
> > > contributions?
> >
> > Think, please, once more.
>
> Think about what? Think about the fact that there has been an average of
> less than 150 contributions to the Euphoria archives per year, in it's
> 10 year existence? That is pathetic.
Let us wait for Irv's results, if he wants to continue this mistaken
thread.
I'd prefer to not confuse the issues about Euphoria real quality
and your dreams and plans about Empire. I have no any interest to any
Empire.
Sorry, Chris, I have no interest. This is fully different issue.
> You are right in a sense though Igor. As long as RDS is in control,
> Euphoria will never have a serious problem with file name clashing.
> For the effort required to fix the problem, we are probably all better
> off to just rename our files. I highly doubt that the RDS Archives will
> ever accumulate enough source code to be able to have a real problem
> with it.
Let us wait for 2.5 first of all and test it.
Then I want to contribute some my updated projects.
> > > > And his "perfect solution" is like to prison or such.
>
> He was being sarcastic. Pointing out how rediculous you are making
> yourself look.
Welcome! But remember please about that my associative idea.
> > > > Let us respect the Rob's intellectual rights on his Euphoria.
> > > > He is the author of that excellent language.
> > > > Life is life, no?
>
> He gave up his rights when he made me pay for Euphoria.
Hey, Chris, do not get crazy! Stop, please!
*The standard PD Euphoria is free and Public Domain,
as it is stated by RDS. You do not need pay at all for it.
And you must respect the intellectual rights of RDS.
See please quote from readme.doc v2.4*
Notice to Shareware Vendors:
============================
We encourage you to distribute this Public Domain Edition of
Euphoria.
You can charge whatever you like for it. People can use Euphoria
for as
long as they like without obligation. We make money from
those who
start to seriously develop large applications, and want technical
support plus enhanced bind, profile, and trace support for large
programs.
DISCLAIMER:
===========
The Public Domain and Complete Editions of Euphoria are provided
"as
is" without warranty of any kind. In no event shall Rapid
Deployment
Software be held liable for any damages arising from the use
of or
inability to use this product.
> Euphoria is not HIS. It's his consumers. WE are the ones PAYING HIM to
> make the thing.
Hey, Chris, stop, please!
If you do want some *custom* Euphoria, ask Rob, pay him for the individual
*custom* Euphoria (Rob named once $1000000 or so for goto feature)
and get it as you both will be agreed.
> If he wants to give it away for free. He would have alot less problems
> doing as he pleases.
>
> Now *I* have the right to bitch and complain as much as I want.
> I paid for that right. That is what support is about. And that is the
> product I paid for. I paid for support of the language. Whether that
> means I gave money to Rob so that he will continue work. Or whether that
> means I paid for Euphoria, so I could tell him what an idiot I think he
> is. I have paid for that right.
What, what, what ????????????
Please do not confuse and mix *consumers*, *customers*,
*intellectual rights*, *simple human politeness, civility and courtesy*
and *ochlos kratos* into one big heap of dirty rubbish.
Be careful, Chris, in your Empire too.
Too many people in the World do know their simple rights on just respect.
> If you don't like it, too bad.
>
> If RDS won't listen to his customers, he will find more people are
> paying to bitch, than to actually support his efforts.
Yes, you do confuse *consumers*, *customers* and *PD status*
of file.e standard RDS Euphoria library.
What about apologies for RDS and for Robert H. Craig personally?
> Chris Bensler
> Code is Alchemy
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
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