Re: Problems with install

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Hi Derek,

you wrote:

> Hi Juergen,
> may I kindly suggest that you count to ten, take a few deep breaths,
> go for a jog, walk the dog, have a cup of good coffee, etc....
>
> Maybe it would be better to help new comers to learn

Dirk posted obviously wrong stuff, e.g. he wrote, that he just installed
Euphoria, tried to run some sample programs, and then got this error ...
Where we could see from the content of the 'ex.err' file which he posted,
that it was _not_ an Euphoria sample program., that caused the error.
He obviously did not read the docs carefully. People tried to help him,
but he didn't read their advice carefully. He didn't even give a precise
description of the problem that he had. Instead he repeatedly posted
something like: "It does not work, tell me why." over several threads.
This is not adequate and polite newbie behaviour.

Sometime ago, someone asked newbie Lobelia, whether she had tried
gardening (instead of programming). No one wrote that this was an
inadequate remark. From a newbie, at least we want to see, that s/he
actually *is willing* to learn something, don't we?

The way Dirk behaved made on me the impression, that he just wanted to
snip with his fingers, and anything should be OK. If not, other people
(we) should do the work for him ...

> rather than come down
> all heavy on them for not following the un-enforcible 'rules' of good
> usenet ettiquette.

As you know now, this was not the only reason. Also, these are no "dead
rules" (you did not say so, but I'm pretty sure, that some other people
here think so). These rules have evolved over say 20 years, and they
have a sense. E.g. meaningful quoting helps to avoid misunderstandings,
and so saves time (and sometimes other "things") for both the newbie and
the "oldbie". Some people seemingly don't understand this, but this
dosn't make these well established rules disappear.

> I'm not trying to be critical, but suggesting that a bit more tolerance
> might be more useful in the long run.

I always appreciate any serious comments (like yours here).

Regards,
   Juergen

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