Re: My View on the License issues (PD only..here's why)
Hi again Juergen,
Juergen Luethje wrote:
>
> Al Getz wrote:
>
> > Juergen Luethje wrote:
> >
> >> Ray Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> Hi Al,
> >>>
> >>> One of the main points you are missing is that many Open Source Licesnes
> >>> ensure
> >>> that all derived works stay open source.
> >>> This means that all work done "in the euphoria system" will stay open
> >>> forever.
> >>> What happens if some bright spark makes a dozen really great changes to
> >>> Euphoria
> >>> and gets lots of people using it ... but doesn't open source his code.
> >>> All of a sudden we are back to where we are now .. with 1 person
> >>> controlling
> >>> everything. (Obviously not quiet since anyone else is able to make the
> >>> same
> >>> improvements)
> >>> Licenses such as the LGPL force all derived works to be open source ...
> >>> meaning
> >>> the open future of Euphoria is ensured
> >>
> >> I consider this point important.
> >>
> >>> ... while allowing anyone to write open or closed sourced apps "using"
> >>> Euphoria.
> >>
> >> I consider this point important, too.
> >>
> >>> I'm all for putting a license on Euphoria which forces it to be open
> >>> forever.
> >>>
> >>> I don't see why people are worried about not allowing the actual Euphoria
> >>> source
> >>> code to be used in closed source apps.
> >>> You can still use all of Euphoria to write as many apps as you want, sell
> >>> them
> >>> open or closed source to whoever you want to.
> >>> You just can't change Euphoria itself and sell it to someone without
> >>> giving
> >>> them your source code.
> >>
> >> I absolutely agree with you, Ray. Although I don't know the details of
> >> all those licenses that have been mentioned here recently, I think the
> >> two points above are exactly the bottom line.
> >>
> >> Maybe we can think of an open programming language somehow like a
> >> collection of mathematical formulas or so. It's important that it's
> >> known in public. Scientists normally also publish their findings, and
> >> this contributes to progress of education and knowledge in the world.
> >> It's important, that Pythagoras' theorem and many other stuff is "Open
> >> Source". Nevertheless, people can use this knowledge to create a product
> >> and then sell this product. (And other people can use the same knowledge
> >> to create another product and then give their product away for free, if
> >> they like ...)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Juergen
> >
> >
> > Hi there Juergen,
> >
> > I dont think it's quite the same, because most scientists are funded
> > by some grant, whereas most contributors are doing everything on
> > their own time.
>
> Rob has already decided to make Euphoria free and Open Source. And
> that's only his decision anyway. And of course -- as people have
> mentioned here repeatedly -- what Rob does is a huge donation to the
> public.
Yes, we know that, but what we dont know is what kind of License will
be chosen.
> > Also, not all formulas are made public domain,
>
> I did not say that all formulas are made public domain. Argueing against
> something that I never wrote doesn't make too much sense.
I was not argueing, but making a statement.
>
> I was trying to say, that making certain knowledge available in public
> is an important contribution to progress in the world. I deliberately
> chose Pythagoras' theorem as example. I could have mentioned dozens of
> other mathematical theorems, but you can look in a math textbook
> yourself, if you want.
>
> > and certainly not
> > all chemical formulas. In fact, with some formulas it's very
> > important that they are not known in public.
>
> Hm?? What has this got to do with my previous post, and with the license
> of Open Euphoria? And are you trying to say, that making Euphoria Open
> Source would be dangerous, or what?
No, just that many chem formulas are not published because they
would give away the company secrets that the company spent millions
trying to develop.
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
The main idea in these discussions is to talk about what kind
of license should be chosen. In doing so, we want to talk about
the effects it has on all parties involved.
Take care,
Al
E boa sorte com sua programacao Euphoria!
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