Re: enough chatter
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From: Bernie Ryan <bwryan at PCOM.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 9:53 AM
Subject: enough chatter
> The list has hundreds and hundreds of lines of rattle about why the
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> language should be changed and how I do something in another language.
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> Some people are on the list to learn programming and want to ask
questions.
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> Some people on the list tell us about all these wonderful things they
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> can do but I never see them distribute any code to the list ( maybe it's
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> vapor ware ). The real challenge is try to use the langauge the way it
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> was designed and try to develop aids to help other programmers so they
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> can gain from your quality code and experienced skills.
I was thinking the puters (and the languages they are programmed in) were
tools to Get Something Done. The faster a useful application was developed,
and the faster it ran with the most stability was the sign of a good
programmer using a good language, and good programming tools.
How was i to know the purpose of a new language was mere mental exercise? I
guess i'm just not esoteric enough. Sounds like you could have said: "The
purpose of Windows95 is to use the OS as it was designed and try to develop
aids to help other programmers so they can gain from your quality code and
experienced skills." , and if that were the case, we should all go back to
assy code and gwbasic or msdos5 or unix, and improve our skills there.
<sigh> I am trying to sidestep philosophy here,, but i thought the reason
for Eu was to improve the plight of programmers with better faster and
easier scripting tools. I once had most of 6502 machine code memorized, but
that didn't really make me a better programmer,, cause i was too involved
with how the puter did things, and not how the application did things. Darn
it, when i want to skip some code, i don't want to bracket that code and
test if it should be executed, i want to goto some target on the other side
of it, the very definition of skipping it! How the interpreter/compiler
treats my goto, how it is translated to machine code, i don't really care
anymore,, just *do* it. I am in search of a 4th gen language, not another
dos batch language. I want to concentrate more on program flow on a higher
level. You don't haveto want what i want, you don't haveto code like i do,
or use the same words in whatever language,, if Eu gets a goto command, you
don't haveto use it,, same for an "open sock/port/file <name>" command or a
"local var" list or a "start thread <name>" command. The more versatile a
language is, it can be used in more varied places by programmers with a
wider range of programming styles. Your mileage may vary.
Kat,
growl.
working on that "quality code and experienced skills" prior to distribution.
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