Re: Illegal export of crypto,insinuations and accusations by Norm

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I think, Jeff Zeitlin, of an as-yet unnamed law enforcement agency, that
it would be in the best interest of this listserv, if you would quietly
post your warning about your duties, and quietly leave.

So far you've been threatening and insulting.  Or so it could be
interpreted.

May I note that I find a portion of your post particularily insulting:
"..At the time I made the post that seems to have provoked so much
rancor - and
stupidity - I had overlooked the fact..."
A low blow from a fine, upstanding, law inforcement officer.


> (However, were he to post even the source code to this list, he
> would be placing Miami University of Ohio, where this list is
> served, in violation of the laws in question, as this list is
> clearly machine-readable media transmitted across national
> boundaries other than that between the United States and Canada.
> _Ralf_, however, would still not be in violation.)
>

Here, you're wrong.  The internet makes for a rather interesting little
knot, as far as federal laws go, doesn't it?  Under US regulations, the
University would *not* be held liable for the violation of the law.
Also, *import* regulations would apply here, not export, at least, until
the source is downloaded by someone outside the US.

> Apparently the English language is unfamiliar to you.  I do not

another low blow?

> That having been said, I reiterate my _request_ that any
> discussion of exchanging actual code for strong encryption be
> removed from the list, and that _all_ list members refrain from
> posting code for strong encryption to the list.

As were on the topic of insinuations, interpretations, etc... could this
above be construed as an invitation for us to exchange code in private?
That would still be in violation of the law.  And put you in the
position of a law enforcement officer who turned a blind eye.

Again, let me say this:

Your warning is appreciated, and we will heed it, as well as we can.
Thank you.
But as far as I've seen, you are not representing your country and the
law enforcement agency you work for (whether you actually do work for
one or not, is debatable) in a manner that reflects that which you've
been charged to uphold.

Good night, Mr. Zeitlin, and goodbye.

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