Re: Euphoria questions
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:19:20 +0700, Hendy Irawan <ceefour at INDO.NET.ID> wrote:
>Dear Mr. Euphoria Programming for MS-DOS, not forgetting a reply for your
>letter...
>
>> Most. Especially in programs of reasonable complexity - business
>> programs, for example.
>Really? Wouldn't you think the program would be unreasonably large???
>I've seen a bound Eu program and it's way big because the source code
>is inside. Yes, it's shrouded. But with any file viewer I can see the
>source code clearly, giving me up the idea about the program flow,
>etc.
Really? Let me send you a shrouded program, and you tell me what it
does. No, the program isn't big because of the source code. Short
Euphoria programs are about 200,000 bytes because the entire run-time
code is included. Big Euphoria programs are only slightly larger.
Check the programs on RDS's site. Or, better, write a large program
in C++, Pascal, and Euphoria. Compile the C and Pascal. Then tell
use how large the files are.
>Encrpyting? Come on, Eu doesn't use PGP, one decryptor and any Eu
>program vulnerable.
>I think this is different to Java where you can't see the source at
>all. Almost like machine code. Even VB (hey, it's interpreted, too!)
That's a joke, right?
>> Exactly. That's why Euphoria is faster when writing and debugging code.
>slower run-time. Most (99%) of me wants faster run-time.
Games, eh?
>I wonder if Eu can be duo, both compiled and interpreted. (!!!!)
Sure, but there would be little to gain.
>>>BTW why did RDS choose interpreted thing?
>> Good question.
>So? No one?
>
>> Why do you need pointers? What hacks? Please give some examples.
>You know.... the standard stuff we really got used to in C++....
>Mainly for code optimizing anyway.
>
Well, where is the stuff I "really got used to" -
PERFORM 1000-PROCEDURE-START THRU 1000-PROCEDURE-END
The reason you need pointers in C is to make up for oversights in
the original language. These workarounds make coding difficult, and
add lots of potential errors.
>BTW does using "machine code" actually make Eu programs faster? Doing
>it means there still be interpreter which read the "machine code" then
>interpret then do it. One instruction could be numerous instructions
>with that!
I think you need a better understanding of computers. What you wrote
makes no sense.
>Why RDS decided not to implement OOP? Did they think it's just
>unnecessary or...... insufficient resources?
More likely insufficient interest. OOP just complicates many
programs.
>From time to time.... we're going to expect many lang enhancements.
>Like Pascal which had evolved (caused by Borland's hands) to the great
>ObjectPascal now used by Delphi, etc.
Borland has been working on TP since 1982. I think Euphoria is now
more functional than TP 5.0, which was released in 1988.
>Who would do and approve such changes in Eu? RDS?
Rob. And I think we have a better chance of getting Rob to change
Euphoria than we have to get Bill Gates to change VB!
>> What type mismatch? You can define your own types in Euphoria, to make
>> them as strict as you want.
>Hmm... I never used any custom types in Eu...
>
Try it sometime.
Irv
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