Re: pass by reference
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From: <bensler at mail.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: RE: pass by reference
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> No offense to you Everett, but I'm tired of lobbying.
>
> Euphoria *has the potential to be* the best language I have found.
> However, it still feels like basic to me. It's not going anywhere very
> fast. Rob hasn't expressed much interest in expanding the language. I
> didn't get into programming to discuss compiler language development,
> and I didn't pick up euphoria so I could write libraries which most
> people consider essential.
>
> Sure, there is the RDS archives, which is packed full of great stuff,
> but I don't have or want to spend the time to explore each lib and
> program to see if it has the routines I'm looking for anymore. The least
> that RDS could do, if it's not going to add to the language, is
> offically support essential and proven libraries.
> Which OOP library should I use if I want to use classes? Where's the
> string library? Why isn't asm.e shipped with euphoria? Where's
> peek/poke2? Where is the standard c_struct library? Why hasn't RDS added
> link_dll(), link_func(), and link_proc() to DLL.E?
>
> I've been using euphoria for about 2 years now, so I know the answer
> to most of these questions, but even with what I know, I am constantly
> finding useful libraries that I didn't before, and spent days writing
> for myself. Not too many people are so dedicated.
>
> Stamping is one way, but it doesn't seem to be utilized very
> effectively. There should be a list of recommended libraries, sorted by
> category and demand.
>
> Also, we should be able to filter the archives by stamped files, and
> sort by money donated(popularity).
>
>
> Rob,
> I know you are only one person, and it's very difficult, if not near
> impossible to foster a project of this magnitude on your own, but that's
> why I think you need to reevaluate your vision of euphoria, as well as
> consider staffing a development team.
> Don't have the money to employ anyone? Consider offering royalties from
> future sales. It's a good incentive for calculated development, and will
> encourage the developers to try harder to do better as well.
> I'm sure there are people on this list who would help for free, if only
> to see euphoria succeed and floruish.
> I too think that moderation and mediation are essential to develop the
> language to it's fullest, but there comes a time when you need to
> compromise. Reducing the price of your product should be a huge
> indication of your progress.
>
> I'm not even concerned if ANY of my suggestions make it into the
> language or your marketing strategies, but you need to do SOMETHING. In
> the very least, you need to outline your plan for euphoria's future, so
> people know what to expect and can make suggestions based on what your
> stated priorities are. There are a lot of extremely talented people in
> this community making excellent suggestions, and they seem to be not
> only unnoticed, but ignored.
>
> I will continue to use Euphoria, and hope for it's success, but at
> this rate, like Irv, I will most likely migrate to a more productive
> language. The only real reasons I am still here, is because would like
> to see euphoria do well, and because I love a challenge. Probably more
> the latter, because as selfish as it may sound, I have nothing to gain
> by promoting and lobbying for euphoria. I'm sure I will be more than
> challenged by C/C++.
>
> This sounds an awful lot like a rant. To a degree it is. But moreover,
> I think I speak for alot of people. People who are on this list, people
> who have already left the euphoria community, and people who have yet to
> discover euphoria.
>
Chris,
over the last few days now I've been exploring the "new" language called D.
If you are interested in C/C++ then it might be worthwhile keeping an eye
out for what is happening to D. (www.digitalmars.com). It is trying to be a
better C++ by dropping some (only some) of the silly things in C/C++. It is
including some of the things we find in Euphoria like dynamic arrays
(sequences) and some of the things we'd like to see in Euphoria (associative
arrays, true compiler, and many others).
However, like Euphoria, it is a one man development "team" so you might end
up still knocking your head against a brick wall.
I've decided to not get involved in D because it is still to C-centric for
my tastes.
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Derek.
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