Re: GOTO - A fresh perspective?
Hi Irv,
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> Îò: Irv Mullins <irvm at ellijay.com>
> Êîìó: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> Òåìà: Re: GOTO - A fresh perspective?
> Äàòà: Sunday, February 10, 2002 20:29
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> > Bluntly, it is the programmer who is
> > important not the language, and it is the programmer
> > who should be given
> > the choice and the decision should not be made for
> > him/her by other
> > people who have no use for a feature.
> Absolutely true. Even as things stand now, there are
> a lot of features that I don't use, because I have
> no need for them. The same is probably true
> of everyone else here as well, except that the list of
> features we don't use differs for each one of us.
> If we use Euphoria for a task, it's because it
> HAS a feature we need, not because it DOESN'T HAVE
> a feature we don't need.
If you'll visit http://www.RapidEuphoria.com/contract.htm
then you can see that RDS is ready to make the custom programming
in Euphoria. There are no any restrictions on the thematic of that
custom programming. If you want Euphoria program for yourself then
contact RDS and you are all set.
I do not think RDS have some super_Euphoria for their own needs.
Same as there are no super_Watcom for WATCOM etc.
So, I think, RDS can make all you want in Euphoria.
If you can not make all you want in Euphoria for youself,
ask RDS for the ready program, pay money, get pack.
What a problem ? What feature you are asking for ?
> > And my final point (phew!): With the 2.3 release I was on the verge of
> > buying Euphoria but, and please correct me if I am wrong, did someone
> > from RapidEuphoria say "not for a million bucks!"?
I didn't see "not for a million bucks!", I saw:
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Euler German writes:
> Though I'd love to here a word or two from Rob.
> Hello Rob! Your time now!
I've stated many times in the past that I am
firmly opposed to adding a goto statement.
You'd have to pay me a million dollars.
(real U.S. dollars, not 62 cent Canadian dollars)
Regards,
Rob Craig
Rapid Deployment Software
http://www.RapidEuphoria.com
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As I can understand the broken Rob's Russian, he says,
million on the table, and GOTO from RDS is yours, no ?
If free Euphoria, which RDS use for their own needs, is too
bad for your tasks, you can get custom-built language,
not Euphoria, for $1000000.
Very good price. And I can say, too cheap.
> > This does not suggest a very customer oriented approach and smacks
> > of an almost elitist "ownership" type mentality. This may explain why
> > in the year since I first looked at Euphoria much of it's potential
> > is still untapped and apparently ignored by the programming community
> > as a whole.
1. I think, Euphoria community is just programming community, not
agricultural or somthing.
Read please list's archive for some last years.
2. You can get (for free) intepreter for 3 main platforms and
translator Euphoria to 6 different free C languages from RDS.
What do you want more for free ? There are 900 packages
by 300 authors (with sources) in The RDS Archive.
(Look for Basic examples in Simtel archive on 1995..2000 years. 
3. You can get (for very low price) professional power of RDS own tools.
4. You can get (for laughable low price) main source code of Euphoria
and make your own language like to Euphoria, maybe better, good luck.
> > I may still buy it but my decision will definately be
> > influenced by replies to this post.
> > RapidEuphoria giving Kat, at least, the choice to use GoTo without
> > going through hoops will of course make the decision a no-brainer 
> This is going to sound harsh, and maybe I'm totally off base,
> but Rob gives the impression that he is tired of Euphoria, or has
> other things that interest him more.
>
> Look at the long time it took to add the rather insignificant
> namespace improvement. Ok, it is a answer to the initial problem
> of name collisions, but it certainly lacks the spark of originality
> that went into some other
> features of Euphoria. IOW, he could have done so much more with that,
> but apparently now lacks the incentive to make any significant changes.
> Changes which, as you say, would make Euphoria more acceptable to the
> larger programming community.
>
> Hope I'm wrong about this.
Yes, Irv, you are wrong, I think.
Namespaces for 6 different implementations of translator and 6 different
implementations of source code and two-pass binder and bug fixes and ...
see please relnotes.doc ...
It is not too bad. No, it is not too bad. It is VERY VERY good, no?
Who can do more than Rob for such short time?
Pay for source and go to do, GOOD LUCK !!!
Or welcome from scratch with NEWPHORIA.
Try please to notice *significant changes* in C, for example.
The main hindrances for the better Euphoria are in ... the
old bugs in different C's just now, not some absent
Euphoria's feature in the future.
Well.
Hey, ALL, look for a good programming language (interpretator)
in the World. I do not need the best, just good enough
for my task, which is asking for:
a language:
must be much much faster than ANY other interpreter on ANY machine,
must work on DOS from 3.30 without ANY&ALL DOS restrictions,
must work on DOS with the speed of compiled 2 different C,
must work on ANY Windows with the speed of compiled 3 different C,
must work on Linux from 5.2 with the speed of compiled GNU program,
must have IDE better than Delphy on Windows,
must manage with Internet tasks,
must be simpler than GWBasic,
must fit in 1 floppy,
must work on ANY machine, from a 386 with one floppy drive without HD,
must be free of charge with all that power,
must have available source code.
What language I am talking about ?
Am I crazy ?
No, I am not crazy.
It is just our young EUPHORIA ...
You didn't know, yes ? Oh, welcome !
Irv, you do know very well, I know that you know,
I'm sorry, my question is not to you, OK ?
But I'm sorry at all too. Just I think EU
is much better than other languages for any
modern task and has many exclusive features,
which are just absent in all other languages.
Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru
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