Re: RDBMS for DOS and Windows
Bret,
I can't speak for the people trying to use the old equipment, but i can say
why i'd be doing it. Hardware hasto be bought, and homemade software in a
depressed economy in a 3rd world country can be bought for a few chickens. A
whole suite of programs can be had for a cow. And that works just fine if
your clients are in the same boat, and they neither expect or can use
results delivered at state-of-the-art speeds. The 386 with 8meg is likely a
luxury in Russia, Bolivia, Angola, etc.. and programmers can be had for
$nothing compared to what it costs to get programmers in the USA or Canada
or Australia.
Speaking as someone who was fired from a $30K job in 1986 for suddenly
needing to use a wheelchair, and living in my car for years, drinking from
puddles on the ground, and stealing food, i would have spent all the time i
was asked to spend maintaining a net of 386 computers just to be indoors,
having clean water to drink, and getting those aforementioned chickens. And
you know what? For a chicken a day, i'd *still* go to work maintaining those
old 386's, cause i am *still* unemployed. And i am in the "good ole USA".
Grrrrrrr
I guess if a few things hadn't happened irl, i'd have left this thread
alone, but there it is. If you want to know what happened, go to
http://members.xoom.com/digithink/disability.htm
If i had mentioned i need some driveway work done, people would have said
get a bulldozer, right? Well, i can't afford one, but i can afford a pick
and shovel, and i have lots of free time. So i have been the last 2 months
this winter working on the driveway till my knees are bloody, and i have
been working on it on and off for years, i expect another 10 years and i'll
be done with it. By then i'll be 53 years old,, and i'll bet you *anything*
i'll still be unemployed and virtually pennyless and have plenty of free
time available if anyone wants to offer me a chicken for a day's programming
or system debugging. Suggesting a bulldozer isn't the solution to
everything, they cost money.
Kat,
getting sick of peanutbutter sandwiches *all* the time,
and a little more than peeved atm.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bret Belgarde" <BretBelgarde at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: RDBMS for DOS and Windows
> Kat:
>
> Joel may have been a little rough, but he had a very valid point. At a
certain
> point in time maintaining an old system becomes more expensive then
upgrading to
> a new system. Either way whether or not the client upgrades it will cost
them
> money. It would seem to me that spending the money to upgrade now would
be far
> more cost effective then constantly throwing money at a problem that will
> eventually force them to upgrade.
>
> Bret Belgarde
> Network Administrator
> Seattle Crab Co./Skippers Inc.
> --He who laughs last, didn't get the joke--
>
> Kat wrote:
>
> > Joel, some people do not have money, and cannot get it. Period.
> >
> > Rather than belittling him and his equipment, could you offer a
networked
> > way to get more performance out of what little he has, by spreading the
job
> > around some?
> >
> > Kat,
> > thinking maybe spreading the DB out and telling all the puters to help
> > search it *might* help some. Not counting an indexing scheme...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Crook" <joel at MAIL.K-A.COM>
> > To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: RDBMS for DOS and Windows
> >
> > >
> > > Being a network consultant I think I know the kind of "client" he is
> > dealing
> > > with... the type that makes me want to run far, far away...
screaming!!!!
> > >
> > > Look at the platforms he is running.... It is a wonder they keep
proper
> > time
> > > (y2k bugs! splat!)...
> > >
> > > The problem is that his client does not care enough about his
business,
> > his
> > > employee's time or his money. He has a network that is in total work
about
> > $125
> > > for everything including the 8mb boat anchor.
> > >
> > > What brand of SQL were you going to recommend he put on the server or
> > > workstation? His client does not have a machine that can run SQL
unless he
> > > drops more memory in the server and puts Linux on it... With the kind
of
> > client
> > > (dunderhead) he's got it is not likely to happen.
> > >
> > > Sorry if I sound a bit irate but I've learned the hard way that
playing
> > patty
> > > fingers with clients like this guarantees migraines and ulcers. He
needs
> > to
> > > give his client an education or he needs to get a different client.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:58 AM 02/24/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >>> Brian wrote
> > > >>Well I realize that this doesn't help the DOS users out any, but
Fabio
> > > >>Ramirez has created an SQL wrapper that works really well. I just
> > started
> > > >>learning SQL last week, and I'm already writing data entry programs
> > using
> > > >>joined tables, primary and foreign indecies, and all that good
stuff.
> > It
> > > >>really has a lot of promise for the WIN32/Linux platform. DOS
> > > >>unfortunately is another story. I don't forsee anyone coming up
with a
> > > >>RDBMS library for DOS now or ever, simply due to the fact that the
> > 16-bit
> > > >>OS is going the way of the dinosaur. [Moment of silence].
> > > >
> > > > Brian:
> > > >
> > > > Why couldn't he run windows on a workstation with a window's
> > > > Novel network client. This would keep other Novell stuff working.
> > > > Then that workstation could access the SQL database or be used as
> > > > a SQL server to the dos workstation, If this worked he could
eventually
> > > > move more all the workstations to windows.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > >
> > > Joel H. Crook
> > >
> > > Manager, Information Services
> > > Certified Novell Administrator
> > > Microsoft Certified Professional, OS Specialist
> > >
> > > Kellogg & Andelson Accountancy Corp.
> > > 14724 Ventura Blvd. 2nd Floor
> > > Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
> > > (818) 971-5100
> > >
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