Re: Black Plague + Eu concerns
Vincent wrote:
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> posted by: Vincent <darkvincentdude at yahoo.com>
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> D. Newhall wrote:
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>> Vincent wrote:
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>> (snip)
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>>> What I am victim of is, purchasing Rapid Deployment Software
>>> (RDS) products: v2.4 Translator, and v2.4 Interpreter. At least I
>>> got my free downgrade to v2.5 products. I am however happy that I
>>> purchased the v2.5 source code just in case Robert ever lets go
>>> of the source license. If done so, Euphoria could have a chance
>>> to climb itself out of that deep hole RDS has dug it. But then
>>> again, I'm not very optimistic anymore.
>>>
>>> No offence Robert.
>>
>> Out of curiosity why do you seem to dislike Euphoria so much (or
>> perhaps more accurately RDS's treatment of it)? I'm not criticizing
>> you or anything, you are entitled to your opinion and all, I just
>> don't think you ever really explained why you seem so strongly
>> against Euphoria.
>>
>>
>> The Euphoria Standard Library project : <a
>> href="http://esl.sourceforge.net/">http://esl.sourceforge.net/</a>
>> The Euphoria Standard Library mailing list : <a
>>
>> href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion</a>
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> I dont dislike Euphoria, if I did, I wouldnt have stayed with it for
> 2 years (that may not seem long to you guys :P). Euphoria has been a
> pleasure with it's simplicity, but also a barrier. Simple is good,
> but security is even more important. I want the security in knowing
> that Euphoria will last the test of time, with all the new
> technological advancements in computing and developer productivity.
I'm pretty sure it will.
> This is a major issue, because the community is so small. The fact
> that Euphoria comes shipped with DOS applications and batch files is
> not a good example of moving forward. Where is the IDE? or even a
> simple Windows and Linux editor? or a more complete standard library?
> Sure we have many of them now, after someone develops else them! But
> there is still alot of missing pieces, again mostly due to lack of
> development, and a very small active community. I mean, you guys are
> developing your own standard library, geez. That should of at least
> been tooken care of by RDS for the most part. It seems like alot of
> time is spent making Euphoria work, rather than just the main goal;
> Often having to invent your own tools (libraries) is not very
> productive. And oh... and it seems like half the libraries in the
> archive are "wrappers". If Eu had support for structures and stuff,
> we wouldnt need them.
This isn't too much different than the way open-source projects work. I
know that I've said in the past that Euphoria is open-source and it
really is very close. But the community is a big part of developing and
furthuring the language. It's not all just up to RDS.
Yeah, I would like to see (a few) more features added to Euphoria. But I
like the language enough in its simple form to want to see it succeed
and try to help in whatever limited fashion that I can.
It seems like with veeu that you at one time wanted the same.
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> Euphoria has failed to embrace the other dominating programming
> technologies like Java... even interfacing with simple C++ is fuzzy.
Any language interfacing with C++ is fuzzy. It is the nature of the
beast. Different compiler vendors can't even agree on the same time of
name-mangling!
> Sure C is the most used but there is many others just below it, and C
> is not getting anymore popular. Now there is .NET, it is here to stay
> and becoming even more important. Now what? Sure most of us are all
> hobbyists, but pretending nothing is wrong is foolish.
>
> I guess I expected too much from Euphoria and RDS, I apologize for
> that and the flaming. Euphoria COULD of been that next big thing in
> programming, just like Java is with almost 5 million developers. But
> this just isnt the case, and Robert doesnt have the dedication. So
> this why I have left, and so many others.
>
> Chris Bensler had his points here, but few listened or cared. I'm not
> anti-RDS, I just dont agree with their development strategy and how
> they ignore their customers. I bet most of you guys dont either. I
> just wasnt afraid to speak out for what we want or stood for.
>
> Regards, Vincent
>
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