Re: Black Plague + Eu concerns
D. Newhall wrote:
>
> Vincent wrote:
> >
> (snip)
> >
> > What I am victim of is, purchasing Rapid Deployment Software (RDS) products:
> > v2.4 Translator,
> > and v2.4 Interpreter. At least I got my free downgrade to v2.5 products. I
> > am however
> > happy that I purchased the v2.5 source code just in case Robert ever lets go
> > of the
> > source license. If done so, Euphoria could have a chance to climb itself out
> > of that
> > deep hole RDS has dug it. But then again, I'm not very optimistic anymore.
> >
> > No offence Robert.
>
> Out of curiosity why do you seem to dislike Euphoria so much (or perhaps more
> accurately
> RDS's treatment of it)? I'm not criticizing you or anything, you are entitled
> to your
> opinion and all, I just don't think you ever really explained why you seem so
> strongly
> against Euphoria.
>
>
> The Euphoria Standard Library project :
> <a href="http://esl.sourceforge.net/">http://esl.sourceforge.net/</a>
> The Euphoria Standard Library mailing list :
> <a
> href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/esl-discussion</a>
>
I dont dislike Euphoria, if I did, I wouldnt have stayed with it for 2 years
(that may not seem long to you guys :P). Euphoria has been a pleasure with it's
simplicity, but also a barrier. Simple is good, but security is even more
important. I want the security in knowing that Euphoria will last the test of
time, with all the new technological advancements in computing and developer
productivity. This is a major issue, because the community is so small. The fact
that Euphoria comes shipped with DOS applications and batch files is not a good
example of moving forward. Where is the IDE? or even a simple Windows and Linux
editor? or a more complete standard library? Sure we have many of them now, after
someone develops else them! But there is still alot of missing pieces, again
mostly due to lack of development, and a very small active community. I mean, you
guys are developing your own standard library, geez. That should of at least been
tooken care of by RDS for the most part. It seems like alot of time is spent
making Euphoria work, rather than just the main goal; Often having to invent your
own tools (libraries) is not very productive. And oh... and it seems like half
the libraries in the archive are "wrappers". If Eu had support for structures and
stuff, we wouldnt need them.
Euphoria has failed to embrace the other dominating programming technologies
like Java... even interfacing with simple C++ is fuzzy. Sure C is the most used
but there is many others just below it, and C is not getting anymore popular. Now
there is .NET, it is here to stay and becoming even more important. Now what?
Sure most of us are all hobbyists, but pretending nothing is wrong is foolish.
I guess I expected too much from Euphoria and RDS, I apologize for that and the
flaming. Euphoria COULD of been that next big thing in programming, just like
Java is with almost 5 million developers. But this just isnt the case, and Robert
doesnt have the dedication. So this why I have left, and so many others.
Chris Bensler had his points here, but few listened or cared. I'm not anti-RDS,
I just dont agree with their development strategy and how they ignore their
customers. I bet most of you guys dont either. I just wasnt afraid to speak out
for what we want or stood for.
Regards,
Vincent
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