Re: RDS is hopeless
Euman wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 11:39 -0700, Vincent wrote:
> >
> >
> > posted by: Vincent <darkvincentdude at yahoo.com>
> >
> > Well at least I know I wont be getting anything I asked for in the next
> > release, so I'm happily
> leaving for good. </font></i>
>
> Sorry to hear.
Me too.
>
> > I still would of left even if Rob gave me the features I asked for. Why?,
> > because there is no
> future with Euphoria on Microsoft Windows.</font></i>
>
> This is very true because Microsoft will die sooner than later to linux.
>
Wrong. Microsoft is a 500 billion dollar corporation, that is only getting
bigger. Microsoft is right up there in revenue with some powerful oil companies.
Microsoft is far more than the operating system buisness.
> > The next version of Windows: Windows Vista, has a completely new
> > development platform based
> on .NET (WinFX), while the Win32 API will still be supported (Win16 not
> supported), people will quickly see the advantages
> using WinFX and stop using the Win32 coding base. By 2008, Microsoft expects
> that all development revolving around Windows
> will be .NET based, and may remove Win32. </font></i>
>
> I think we know who holds a crystal-ball now don't we?
I hold it :D.
>
> > Sure there is Linux and BSD, but their markets are small compared to
> > Windows.
>
> lol, sure its for people like my grandmother who just cant seem to turn
> the machine on but when its finally running I shouldn't mention when M$
> Windows crashes but I will...
>
> windows error is: "The mouse has moved. Please restart for the changes
> to take effect." courtesy of a friend on the #euphoria channel
> "good one Eulex" ;D
Heh... you forgot about the "blue screen of death" The fact is I leave my
Windows XP SP2 machine on day and night for week or even months without a loss of
performance, or crashes. If you were to try that with Windows 95, uh-oh. You also
might want to keep in mind that there are WAY WAY WAY more grandmothers who cant
turn on their machines, than IT pros, and network administrators combined.
>
> > The next generation of Windows is promised to be a big improvement over
> > Windows XP in every
> aspect (bigger than Win 3.1 to 95).</font></i>
>
> yeah well, its all hype cause we heard that statement all too many times
> from M$ Windows e.g; XP SP2 was supposed to give the end-users the
> greatest security on the market.
> This was the most "BS" I ever heard. and so it continues.
>
> > Windows wont be so inferior to Linux anymore.
>
> It will always be inferior, here's why, linux is open sourced and M$
> isn't.
Hmm, well explain to me why it isnt successful on desktops. Micro$oft's
marketing right!!, why it wont be... Micro$oft's right!!!
>
> As soon as Vista comes out
> (assuming they don't change the name 10 more times.)
> It will encounter every single problem that exist currently on windows.
>
> Think of it this way, its like hiding the keys to your home under the
> welcome mat. It will be busted into, cracked, hacked and diced as it
> always has been.
>
> Sure, there will be improvements in the graphics I'm pretty sure
> but if they think 'IPS' (if used) is going to give them better security
> then they are mistaken..they might be able to thwart a script-kiddie for
> a few days until a master writes the code to get in...(lol)
> I'm rambling now..
>
Maybe, maybe not... either way though it wont affect me any, as I'm already well
prepared with my security software. Vista will come with some of its own too.
> > That will prevent Linux or BSD from ever dominating the desktop domain.
> > Microsoft's marketing
> is just to p!</font></i>
> > owerful against open source.
>
> Ok..I think Ive had enough of that putting my beloved Linux down..watch,
> listen and learn my friend..Linux will rule sooner not later. Thus
> M$ better hurry with Vista..
There is absolutely no indication of Linux creeping up on Microsoft. Just go buy
a new computer, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.
>
> > I think Euphoria will remain virtually unknown to Linux and BSD developers,
> > thus little chance
> with that either. </font></i>
>
> This I agree with, if Euphoria were open sourced then it would
> (in my opinion) handle most of the administration and most system tools
> with ease..A welcome to the Linux community Rob.
>
I highly doubt Rob wants to let go of his precious angel: Euphoria.
> > Java and Mono (cross-platform .NET) along with C/C++ are really the only
> > contenders now and
> in the future, </font></i>
>
> I wont go there..I'm just a stupid euphoria programmer I guess..
> (as you see things)
No just a foolish one.. I guess I might want to get a job in the programming
field someday, I like to be prepared. It seems like EVERYONE is using Java or
.NET. Suprizing huh?
>
> > There could be an Euphoria.NET, but it would have to become a full object
> > oriented language.
>
> I'm content living w/o oop. While I do use application written in oop
> languages I personally have no inclination to use it in my apps.
>
I dont care much for OOP either.. but I wont have a choice if I want to stay
with Windows. If I went to Linux, I would just use Java.
>
> > I dont think Robert would EVER consider doing that, I mean he isn't even
> > considering a tiny
> namespace improvement. </font></i>
>
> I'd like to know how you know what Rob thinks?
>
> (this will open up a can of worms for sure)
>
It wont do anything. Robert doesnt care about what we want.
>
> > I believe the only way to go in the future is .NET and/or Java (I'm learning
> > both),
>
> crystal-balls actually work?
>
Euphoria works? Wooo dude...
>
> > On Windows you eventually wont have a choice, it will be either .NET or
> > nothing.
>
> shew, I better rush right over there and grab my copy..lol
> yeah the M$ hook has been sunk and they're reeling you in.
>
> "you big fish you.."
>
> > Nevermind how expensive the Visual Studio IDE is, there is free open-source
> > alternatives like
> SharpDevelop, or Eclipse.</font></i>
>
> lest not forget this people cause we are all going to be .net
> programmers soon so make sure you bookmark this..
Well if you want to develop on windows you will. But you dont want to so, no
worries for you. 
>
> > I'm kind of upset that I spent over $100 on RDS products that are
> > non-refundable.
>
> I guess you are one of those people that wears an outfit one day then
> takes it back to the store for an exchange..You ever get tired of that
> not ever owning anything?
>
> > Robert: I still want that free upgrade to the v2.6 or v3.0 source code,
>
> heh, you might be a tad wish washy here.
Not really, I want my moneys worth. Wouldnt you?
>
>
> > I may look at it more closely if you ever let go of that choke hold source
> > license.
>
> I think this is a fantastic idea...
> It could make Rob very rich if done properly
> but "could" and "will" are two very different things.
>
"Won't" is even closer.
> > Well anyway, I would just like to say goodbye,
>
> l83r d00d.
>
> > and maybe I'll see you all in the Java and .NET world?
>
> not me.
Oh thats too bad.
>
> > or maybe just the Euphoria chatroom, where Euphoria is the least talked
> > about subject :P.
>
> lol. you know that's where we Euphoria coders go to blow steam or talk
> about Linux and how awful M$ is.
LOL, I dont mind it really :P
>
> > Goodbye,
> > Vincent
>
> If it were really true, something tells me you are just confused right
> now, you'll come back to earth eventually... :D
>
If this is earth, I'll never come back to earth. 
> Euman
Regards,
Vincent
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