Re: Eu 2.5 improvements over Eu 2.4
Tommy Carlier wrote:
>
> Robert Craig wrote:
> > Once people start using $ and crash_routine(), and posting
> > that code to the Archive, you'll have to install 2.5. 
>
> I've started using the $-feature in Win4Eu, and I must say:
> it's a really great improvement. It doesn't seem that spectacular,
> but it's a time saver, and it makes the code look a bit better.
> Maybe it's also a bit faster (less parsing, special opcode, ...),
> I don't know.
>
> I see (experienced) people leaving Euphoria, searching for better
> languages. At work, I program in C#, and it's a really cool language
> with a lot of features, a solid framework with all the possible
> functionality (networking, gui, xml, database, ...) and one of the
> best IDEs I've worked with (you can download the Express edition for
> free).
>
> Yet, at home I still use Euphoria for most of my coding. Why? Because
> I think Euphoria (as a language) is beautiful. Of course it needs a lot
> of improvement, but the essence is beautiful. And if you check out the
> contributions I've made, you can see that I haven't made a single
> PRACTICAL application for a specific use. All the contributions I've
> made are libraries, to be used by other programmers, to make it easier
> for programmers to do certain things. That is my way of trying to improve
> the Euphoria-experience, without actually changing the language.
>
> One of the best things about Euphoria, is the archive, the many
> contributions. Why did Derek keep maintaining Win32Lib for so long?
> To improve the Euphoria-experience. Because he still had hope for Euphoria.
> Unfortunately, Derek has lost that hope. But I still have a little hope,
> that's why I'm creating Win4Eu in the first place. I started Win4Eu,
> because I felt that Win32Lib (and IDE) has reached a certain limit.
> The main problem with Win32Lib (and IDE) that I feel, is that it's hard
> to extend, to create new features (like controls). That will be one of
> the key features of Win4Eu, the easy extensibility. I'm trying to design
> Win4Eu to be modular, and to support third-party extensions, so I don't
> have to incorporate all the possible components and controls in the base-
> library.
>
> Robert, a lot of great contributors have lost hope on Euphoria, and have
> left. I hope you realize that more people will leave, if you don't do
> something about it. Euphoria needs people like Derek and Irv. Without the
> contributions, Euphoria is lost.
>
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>
I started messing around in the new ISO standard of C (C99). It has many
improvements
over the ANSI standard of C, in language definition and libraries. Like C++
style comments,
inline function, __func__ ruitine, 64 bit integer (long long) data type, boolean
data type
(_Bool), and much more.. And I just love C now that I tried it, specially with a
nice IDE
like Dev C/C++ using the mingw port of GCC. Compliler/Linker setup is easy and
compiling
and running is as easy as it is in EU (no console parameters to type). Sure C
has
many problems, mostly due to the lack of any protection to the coder; but
Im getting the hang of it. Thanks to EU learning C is much easier now too :)
Euphoria is very nice too, tho I can see how it is limited by the lack of
developers tools and stuff (IDEs, project/resource managers, windows debuggers,
etc.)
along with a fairly outdated standard library, tho it is possible to build
upon it I suppose. However I'm satisified with EU at this point with the
new 2.5 release.
Keep up the good work Rob
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