OpenEuphoria

Re: EUPHORIA SUCKS and I have to pay for it.

• Posted by Patrick Barnes <mrtrick at gmail.com> Nov 20, 2004
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:11:34 -0800, henri <guest at rapideuphoria.com> wrote:
> guys,
> everybody replying with how wonderful an interpreter is...
> interpreting is fun for playing around, but when you develope applications
> massively, you want something running and compiled. doing a .bat file in 2004 is
> rediculus.

Well, consider the visual basic executeables.... IMO they're horrible
- you still need a whole HORDE of run-times to get it working, and
even a simple program is >1mb...

Java is interpreted, what of it?
I think it's a credit to Euphoria that the run-time for it can be
simply included with the file.


> if you do something do it correctly.
> i assume all application PROGRAMMERS DON'T HAVE TIME to mess around with
> stupid problems, we want to CONCENTRATE ON LOGIC.

Well, that's true, but *someone* has to deal with the problems. VB,
C++, Java, have millions of programs. People have dealt with the
problems. Euphoria's user-base is much smaller, some of the problems
still remain.

> VB or EUPHORIA or other langauges do the same thing, I hoped that EUPHORIA
> would answer my exceptations.
> what we need is:
> 1. simple interface (mostly visual)  (not command lines.....)
> 2. access to a database (with above the 4gb limitation)
> 3. debugger
> 4. and distribution (hopefully smart enough not to replace existing system
> file)
> 

Henri, you've hit the nail on the head, these are all problems
(although I'm not so sure about the issue with databases) with the
distributed Euphoria package. (What you get when you download
euphoria) The standard euphoria package is very dated, and is missing
many of the things that every programmer uses. (win32lib, a decent
editor, useful file associations)

1. Rob likes his ed.ex, but nobody else uses it. M Editor is much
better, so is the Euphoria IDE. Use one of them.

2. Access to a database? Use SQL - people have written SQL wrappers so
that you can access SQL through Euphoria. Most programming languages
don't have database access themselves, they use SQL.

3. Well, the embedded trace function is quite useful, don't let the
simple interface fool you. Rob's latest version of Euphoria purports
to make creating a third-party Euphoria debugger possible, but I don't
believe it will be possible until there is a variable_id function.
(How the hell else can we see what value a variable has, Rob?)


> all this in one package, for this I will pay.

Yes well............. 

-- 
MrTrick