Re: bloated 2.5
Ed Davis wrote:
>
> Chris Bensler wrote:
>
> >Now you've gone and completely turned the table Robert. Give us
> >our console-based installer back.
>
> I think that for the effort involved, that it would not be worth
> the time for him to maintain two installers. If you are a
> seasoned user, the windows installer should not cause any
> problems.
>
> >Second, since when does the euphoria translator have anything to
> >do with the interpeter. When I download the interpreter, that's
> >what I want. Not a whole bunch of files that I can't use. I have
> >absolutely no interest in the translator, and I wasted time
> >trying to figure out what all those stubs were, and then I
> >deleted them anyways. Over 2MB!? Sheesh, and I thought you were
> >concerned about bloating the distributable. There isn't even any
> >information about those files other than a brief file
> >description in bin.doc
>
> Again, I don't see what the problem is. For a seasoned user such
> as yourself, simply delete the files. Of course, they don't
> really hurt anything. And 2 megs isn't much these days. Euphoria
> is still much smaller than most programming languages.
>
> >Same thing for the Eu-in-Eu source code. It's novel for the time
> >being, but in 6 months, people aren't going to care about the
> >Eu-in-Eu source code. It doesn't appear that it's useful for
> >anything more than making some utilities like a custom debugger
> >or script engine. It's definitely not a replacement for the
> >compiled interpreter, and there doesn't appear to be any way for
> >PD users to build a front end that can be used with the binary
> >backend. It should be a separate download. Correct me if I'm
> >wrong, maybe it just needs to be documented better. If all I
> >wanted was an eu script engine, David Cuny made one over 5 years
> >ago. Several other people have made them too. This Eu-in-Eu
> >being included with the PD distributable seems like a gimmick to
> >me. Hopefully I'm wrong, and there is indeed a way for PD users
> >to make IL code that can be run by backend.exe
>
> Oh come on. It is only 205k. Good grief. If you don't like it,
> ignore it.
>
> And, all due respect to the authors of the other
> Euphoria-in-Euphoria interpreter, the one included with 2.5
> appears to better and faster, and supports the entire Euphoria
> language, when compared to the Delroy Gayle (original author)
> interpreter.
>
> >Third, PUT SOME EFFORT INTO YOUR INSTALLER!! Don't you know that
> >everybody judges a book by it's cover, despite the cliche? The
> >setup is extremely undesirable. Especially for seasoned users. I
> >have to resort to installing new copies of Euphoria on an
> >alternate machine, and manually copy it over to my workstation,
> >because I don't want it mucking up my custom eu environment.
I had to do the same thing.
>
> It took me all of 1 minute to reset the environment variables to
> what I wanted. Big deal.
It took me a good 3 hours on the upgrade to 2.4,
mainly beacause it kept currupting the registry.
>
> I can appreciate you not liking Euphoria, or Robert Craig, but no
> one is making you use Euphoria. I don't think your overall tone
> helps this mailing list. Based on your posts of the past, if I
> was Robert Craig, I'd ignore most of what you write. You might
> even have some legitimate gripes, but you come across as if
> you're angry. Hey, it is only a programming language - get a
> life!
>
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