RE: The fate of Euphoria
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Haberek <ghaberek at gmail.com>
To: <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: The fate of Euphoria
>
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:29:42 +0000, Chris Bensler <bensler at nt.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >At the very least, it seems to have
> > > > stopped the various flame wars that were going on...
> >
> > > And people call me mad 
It also gives a break to RDS - I'm anxious
> > > for v2.5 and Robert doesn't need to many problems just now.
> >
> > That is extremely dissapointing to hear.
> > It's submissive attitudes like that, which allows RapidEuphoria to
> > continue with their deceptive tactics of 'waiting out the storm'.
> > That's dispicable, on both the part of Robert and on the part of people
> > who I would normally consider better than that.
> >
> > It's not a wonder that Robert Craig never listens to his patrons. Why
> > should he? All he has to do, is keep quiet for a while, and you guys
> > give up. Pathetic.
> >
> > You know, he never did respond to the include statement issue just as I
> > said, other than to basically say it's not going to be fixed.
> > You think that is acceptible?!?
> >
> > And you are looking forward to giving him MORE money so you can further
> > enforce his behaviour of complete and utter disregard?
> > Shame on all of you!
> >
> > It's no wonder I'm so hostile on here. I refuse to accept his behaviour,
> > and you guys are just as ignorant as he is.
> > You know the problems exist, yet you refuse to admit that they are
> > there.
> >
> > I commend you Derek for your efforts with the contest, and general
> > community support. But of all people, you know the issues better than I
> > do, and set an example for most everyone in the euphoria community. You
> > should be more assertive of your opinions.
> >
> > I'm sure you realize that your ignorance perpetuates the problems of
> > euphoria onto not only existing Euphoria users, but all prospective
> > users as well. You should also realize that silence is perceived as
> > satisfaction.
> >
> > It's pretty hard to deny that significant issues exist with Euphoria,
> > and are NOT BEING ADDRESSED. You would rather sweep it under the rug,
> > and let Robert get away with it!
> >
> > I will continue fighting tooth and nail, because I feel we are being
> > BETRAYED by Rapid Deployment Software.
> >
> > I remember how many years I have spent learning euphoria, only to be
> > extremely dissapointed with RDS. The very least I can do with my
> > experience, is make sure others, especially new users, know of the
> > problems with euphoria.
> >
> > For what reason does Robert Craig have, to improve Euporia, other than
> > to milk more money from us? He certainly doesn't have to address the
> > problems. The Euphoria community demonstrates extreme lethargy, and
> > furthermore even promotes Rob's behaviour!
> >
> > How can you make him accountable, if you won't express your opinions?
> > How can you justify deceiving new and existing Euphoria users who are
> > legitamately unaware of Euphoria's issues, by being silent?
> > I consider that kind of silence to be anti-productive and even selfish.
> >
> > I'm more dissapointed with the lack of activism within the community
> > than I am with Rob. Particularly knowledgable people like Phil, and
> > Derek, who certainly know of Euphoria's, and more specifically, RDS's
> > failings.
> >
> > I am at the point, where I feel it would be better if Euphoria just
> > ceased development and withered quickly, instead of the slow and
> > tortuous lack of progress which is inevitably going to end in tragedy
> > anyways.
> >
> > I refuse to give up, if not for my benefit, then for the benefit of
> > others, and the fate of Euphoria.
> >
> > Chris Bensler
> > Code is Alchemy
>
> Please excuse me for using weird analogies here. I'm a hobbyist
> programmer as well as a hobbyist mechanic.
>
> <analogy Civic=Euphoria Honda=RDS>
> Let's say I need a car. My basic requirements are price and
> reliability. So I go out and buy a Honda Civic. Its an average-priced
> economy car that will get me from A to B without a fuss.
>
> But after I've been using my Honda Civic, I decide its not fast
> enough. And I want power windows. And a CD player. And a GOTO syntax
> (oops, sorry, wrong car).
>
> Now I have three choices: I can either (A) continue to use my Honda
> Civic the way I bought it because there's nothing wrong with how it
> works and it does what I need it to do, (B) modify my Honda Civic to
> accomodate my needs, which is perfectly reasonable if I have the
> proper knowledge, or (C) I go buy another car that suits my new needs.
>
> I do not (D) call Honda and throw a fit beacuse *their* Civic doesn't
> meet all my needs, or (E) complain to other Civic owners who are
> perfectly happy with their Civics because I'm not happy with mine.
>
> If I'm patient enough, I can (F) call Honda and request they make the
> Civic a bit faster, and make power windows and a CD player standard,
> but I have to remember that it IS THEIR CIVIC! They make it and if
> they don't want to put in an option for any reason, that's their
> choice.
> </analogy>
>
> Stick that in your tailpipe and smoke it.
>
> ~Greg
Agreed.
> www.merkur.000k2.com
>
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