RE: v2.5 Opens exw files wayyyy too slow
Robert Craig wrote:
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> posted by: Robert Craig <rds at RapidEuphoria.com>
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> Chris Bensler wrote:
> > You are a hack. The only excuse I can think of for such rediculous logic
> > is laziness.
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> Heh! I put in a lot of hours making the front end slower!
> That's not laziness. 
I know, that's just dumb. I wasn't referring to that though. I was
referring to your reluctance to reconsider your implementation. Instead
you'd rather make absurd observations.
> I did it after watching you fail miserably in your attempts
> to make a Euphoria clone. By writing the front-end in Euphoria, I am
> able to give you a complete 100% compatible Public Domain
> Euphoria interpreter with full source, and no restrictions,
> and you still aren't happy.
Watching me? I have never tried to make an eu clone. I once took on the
role of project coordinator for OpenEu but abandoned it after realizing
that everyone would rather just cluck instead doing anything.
> > BTW, I have a 2.5Ghz, and I won't use 2.5 because it takes too long to
> > load.
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> The biggest Euphoria program in the world takes you an extra
> 2 seconds to load. Pity.
2 seconds is not even acceptible for a compiler anymore. How should it
be any more acceptible for an interpeter, which is supposed to excecute
my code immediately. That IS the main purpose of an interpeter isn't it?
> > now you are saying I need to have a 2Ghz machine?
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> I don't have a 2 GHz machine, and I'm happy.
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> > What about my software customers? I should expect that every one of them
> > can afford a brand new computer every year because Euphoria is catering
> > only to the now?
>
> You have customers?
> Parse time is extremely important to you?
> Why not get the binder for $39, or in your case, upgrade for $24?
> Then your app will start up even *faster* than with 2.4.
Spoken like a true salesman.
Or I can just continue using 2.3 right? I'm happy with it, other than
cdecl, that I have never had a need for, and the fact that I can't get
bug fixes! :/
There is no value in me getting 2.5 at all, not even bug fixes, in fact
the opposite. You've fixed things that were never broken, only to make
the situation even worse.
> > Most people don't have the slightest clue how to operate a computer,
>
> But you want them to run your app as a bunch of separate files?
> Why not bind into one .exe?
They don't have to run a bunch of files. Task scheduler runs it. And
setting up a euphoria environment is no different than requiring a user
to have a runtime module for java.
> > The office I work at still has a 300mhz at it's front desk. And it's
> > more than sufficient.
> > Until last year, the office was serving 10 machines with a 400Mhz
> > gateway.
> > ...
> > You think we're all rich or something?
>
> You work in an office that has 10 machines, but you can't
> afford $24 for the Binder?
Firstly, I won't buy it on principle.
Second, binding defeats the purpose of using an interpeter.
If I MUST bind, then I should just use a compiler instead.
Third, I can't parse on the fly with 2.5
Fourth, I can't get around eu's include system anymore.
And finally, I don't want to bind all my programs.
I use euphoria because it's interpreted, not just because it's a high
level language and because I like it's syntax.
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> You are constantly putting down Euphoria, myself, and Euphoria users,
> yet you have been hanging around the Euphoria community for many
> years. Obviously you have not found a better alternative in all that
> time.
Is that a point in your favour? Was that supposed to be insulting to me?
It just shows how little you regard your customers.
I've been around for several years petitioning for advancements and
offering suggestions to improve the presentation and organization of
euphoria. I've offered my help on numerous occasions as have others, yet
you continuously decline, and yet you continuously fail to meet the
demands of the community.
Maybe if you would listen more, I would bitch less.
I'm not going to accomplish anything by patting you on the back for
efforts that nobody asked for.
Actually, I DID send you a personal email last year commending you for
putting some work into finally updating the website, and offered several
suggestions that you replied to with general agreement, but obviously
you were just humouring me, because Jason Gade just finished asking for
one of the very same suggestions I made. And the web update didn't go
very far either.
So, praise didn't work either. I'll stick with bickering, it's effective
at least to some extent. If I can't affect you, then at least I can
affect your patrons. Maybe some of the new, prospective users can be
more enlightened than I was, and move on before they get attached.
Kind words get overlooked, but everyone wants to know what's going on
when there is contention.
When either the community starts responding more, or you do, then maybe
it will be more beneficial to commend instead of condemn.
At least I can say, 2.5 has had one good effect. It's bringing people
out of their closets. I have never seen as much feedback for any release
of euphoria, or suggestions made. I'm glad to see people speaking up,
instead of just walking away.
Chris Bensler
Code is Alchemy
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