Re: Euphoria 2.5 Features..... ??

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Hello Al,

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> From: Al Getz <Xaxo at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: Euphoria 2.5 Features..... ??
> 
> Hello there Igor,
> 
> First off, that algorithm probably doesnt work for sequences
> that dont have lengths that are multiples of 4.

Yes, I was just in a hurry to &= {0} or {0,0} or {0,0,0}
to the not/4 texts, it is a clear thing for me.

> It's a neat idea though smile

Thanks.

> Second, why would you want to go through all that trouble
> when you can use allocate_text()/free() pairs to manage
> the storage of text if you are THAT worried about the
> waste of memory due to character sequence storage ?

These allocate_text()/free() pairs are the low-level stuff,
C-like stuff, and I am not *too* worried in this case.

But why not to use an atom as just a sequence of bytes?
It is some artificial trick for Euphoria, but EU atoms
have the elementary particles too, same as real atoms.

If you need the particles - get them just now - this is EU.
But do you see - this need becomes really actual just
sometimes? As some extra feature?

The Euphoria language has an incredible flexibility.
And with front- and back-end this incredible flexibility
may be fantastic one, I think.

> Take care,
> Al

Good luck!

Regards,
Igor Kachan
kinz at peterlink.ru

> Igor Kachan wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Mario again,
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: Mario Steele <eumario at trilake.net>
> > > To: EUforum at topica.com
> > > Subject: Euphoria 2.5 Features..... ??
> > > Sent: 5 dec 2003 y. 15:37
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello all, I'm back!
> > > 
> > > Allright, wanted to pass along a couple of ideas, and maybe run over
a 
> > > idea like a rampid person, that tries to wear something out.  And I
do 
> > > seriously think these would be good Ideas for Euphoria 2.5
> > > 
> > > First off, The wearing out Idea/Problem.  A String Type Variable.
> > > Yeah Yeah, I realize we can do custom string type variables in
Euphoria, 
> > > 
> > > but there's still 1 major problem with it all.  Even if it's a string

> > > type variable,  Euphoria still allocates 4 bytes of memory to store a

> > > simple 0 to 255 (Or 0 to 255*2) character into memory.  Now for
little 
> > > baby strings, okay, that's kewl, no big loss.  But when we get into
big 
> > > files, like for example, Win32lib _BEFORE_ the breakup into seperate 
> > > libraries, and still somewhat now, we get a very big memory waste for

> > > all of it.  Now we all know, the interpreter doesn't allocate 4 bytes
of 
> > > 
> > > memory for each character, when reading the Plain Text euphoria code 
> > > into memory, for parsing, and execution.  So my quesiton is, why
should 
> > > we have to waste memory to read a file into memory, especially big 
> > > files, which could double, even triple in size, when loaded into a 
> > > simple Euphoria Sequence.
> > 
> > [[snipped the solved problem]]
> > 
> > I do not know if someone used the trick below, 
> > but it seems to be useful for some new 
> > text routines of Euphoria without 
> > new char type.
> > 
> > --- code
> > include machine.e
> > 
> > sequence text
> > 
> > text = "test of packing the text into the atoms "
> > 
> > ? text
> > 
> > puts(1,text)
> > 
> > puts(1, "\n-----     chars (integers) - ")
> > ? length(text) 
> > puts(1, "\n\n\n\n")
> > 
> > sequence TEXT TEXT = {}
> > 
> > for i=1 to length(text) by 4 do
> >     TEXT &= bytes_to_int(text[i..i+3])
> > end for
> > 
> > ? TEXT
> > 
> > for i=1 to length(TEXT) do
> >     puts(1,int_to_bytes(TEXT[i]))
> > end for
> > 
> > puts(1, "\n-----     atoms - ")
> > ? length(TEXT) 
> > --- end of code
> > 
> > Try please, maybe it is not too bad ...

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