Re: My name is.....
Gerardo,
<grin!> Yes, OE doc is really the pits. Thanks, I'll archive this in case I
need it sometime. But I really *don't* have that clickable "From", just
"To:", "Cc", & "Subject" (& if I select "View all headers", then I can also
see "Bcc". I suspect it has to do with NOT having multiple accounts set up?
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "gebrandariz" <gebrandariz at YAHOO.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: My name is.....
> Dan, and everybody.
>
> A little more on this off-topic subject, but I guess it may be useful to
> some, being that the Outlook Express documentation is rather superficial.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
> To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: My name is.....
>
>
> > Gerardo,
> >
> > I *think* Thomas (aka Paul, his dad) is getting or going to get his
> > "identity" resolved, at least that's what I think he said here recently.
>
> Yes, only I read it after I sent my previous. I don't have the time to
check
> the list on a daily basis.Sorry.
>
> > I think he is using OE *5*, and the easiest way to fix his problem there
> is
> > to go to "File" and then "Identities", then "Add New Identity", and then
> add
> > a new identity to their existing email account. I think maybe
> "Identities"
> > is what you are referring to when you suggest setting up new "accounts"?
>
> Not exactly. It boils down to this:
>
> * Windows 9x will let you have one or more "user profiles" (if you didn't
> enable user profiles in the control panel, you still have a single unnamed
> profile, transparent and common for every user).
>
> * You can, of course, have as many actual mail accounts as you want. Not
> Windows accounts, real ones, as in myself at somesite.com. In turn, some of
> these accounts may redirect your mail toward others.
>
> * In the control panel, the Internet applet (which can also be invoked
from
> Internet Explorer) will let you configure one or more connections (to your
> ISP/s). Some of these you may use for mail only. These will be your
"Windows
> mail accounts", sinco you need some sort of Internet connection to
download
> mail (I bet you already knew that).
>
> * Within Outlook Express (Tools menu), you can configure as many "OE mail
> accounts" as you like. They will usually reflect you actual external
> accounts, but they don't have to. Dad may have signed for
dad at somesite.com,
> family at somesite.com and homeoffice at somesite.com, and the kids be only
> allowed to use the second one, so within their own "user profiles" and/or
> "OE identities" (more below) they will configure just one "OE mail
account",
> called whatever they fancy, but pointing to the "family" actual account.
> Mom's "user profile" will have OE5 add an "OE account" that calls the
> "homeoffice" account, and nobody but Dad sets up an "OE account" for "dad"
> (guess why). Those were the "accounts" I was speaking of.
>
> * If you have a single-user Windows config, Outlook Express will always
see
> every "OE mail account" you have configured. If you have enabled "user
> profiles", you will only see those "OE mail accounts" you have configured
> from within that same "user profile". The "OE mail accounts" can be
> imported/exported between "user profiles" as *.iaf files. Alternatively,
you
> may configure the same "OE mail accounts" over and over again for every
> "user profile" you have created; or some, or none; or maybe with different
> properties, say "user profile Johnny" activates automatic disconnect after
> download, but "user profile Mary" doesn't.
>
> * OE5 will also let you create additional "identities" (Files menu),
besides
> the default one you start with. "OE identities" are really useful if you
> haven't enabled "user profiles"; they work just like "mini user profiles",
> only within OE. "Identities" on top of "user profiles" are only useful to
> hide things from yourself.
>
> * Identity Alpha doesn't see identity Beta's folders, but they share
> everything else, including "OE accounts" and connections. Neither identity
> Alpha nor Beta see identity Gamma ("OE accounts", connections, nothing),
for
> Alpha and Beta lie within user profile A (don't ask me why, see above) and
> Gamma was created from user profile B.
>
> * The only way an identity (default or additional) from within a certain
> user profile can share anything with another from within a different user
> profile is (a) using Outlook (not Express, the big one with MS Office);
(b)
> using MS Exchange, which requires creating "services" and "profiles", from
> the Mail applet in the control panel (these "profiles" have no relation
> whatsoever to the Windows "user profiles"); or (c) using the OE5 import
> facility (File menu); not the "export", OE5 can't export to OE5.
>
> None of this is mandatory, all defaults work fine, it can all be combined
> and extended and mixed and juggled ad nauseam, every additional step
> complicates everything, and should be taken only if you really need it and
> are willing to pay the price. For example, if "user profile A" downloads a
> message meant for "user profile B", OE5 would let him/her do the
following:
>
> (1) move the message to an ad hoc folder, like "New messages for B";
> (2) tell B that there's new mail, and log out; so
> (3) B can log into Windows (as "B", of course), open OE5, go to
> File->Import->Messages, selects "Microsoft Outlook Express 5" (which is
A's
> mail client too, how surprising), then choose "from a directory" (which is
> not the default, the default being "from another identity"); that, in turn
> opens a standard file selection box, where B can browse around and click
on
> A's mail storage (DOS) folder (more on this); then another nice box
showing
> all of A's OE5 mail folders, click on "New messages for B", and lo! all
> messages there instantly copied to a folder of the same name within B's OE
> mail storage folder; then, of course,
> (4) the next time A logs in, s/he'll have to delete all messages within
"New
> messages for B", or B will be importing the same messages over and over
...
>
> Note 1: Upon creating Windows user profiles, OE5 will assign a default
> storage directory for each profile as
> %windir%\Profiles\some_profile_name\Application
> Data\Identities\{some_identity_id}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\. A little
hard
> on browsing. So I recommend changing it (Tools->Options) to, say, C:\OE5
> Mail, with a subdirectory for every "user profile".
>
> Note 2: When B starts the import wizard and browses A's storage folders,
> every internal folder of A's is visible, and B can copy every message
there
> to his/her own folders. So much for security. Stow your dirty pictures
> somewhere else.
>
> Note 3: Some mail providers will let you "keep messages in the server",
i.e.
> not delete them after you've downloaded but keep them for a number of days
> (in OE5, go to Tools->Accounts->Mail->Properties->Advanced). This lets A
> delete every downloaded message meant for B (or apply a "rule" that
inhibits
> B-message downloading), and B can do the same. However, big messages may
> soon fill up assigned server space.
>
> > And in OE5, I don't find any "From" clickable listbox at all; even if I
> > select view "all headers", it just adds "Bcc", no "from"
>
> The clickable "From" I meant is the one that appears on top, right under
the
> menu (and the buttons, if you have them enabled), when you are writing a
new
> message or answering or forwarding one. Each "From" option reflects an
"OE5
> mail account" you have configured for the current "OE5 identity" within
the
> current "Windows user profile".
>
> Still awake, anybody? Fine. As for networking environments ...
>
> (sigh)
>
> Gerardo E. Brandariz
>
>
>
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