Re: My name is.....
Dan, and everybody.
A little more on this off-topic subject, but I guess it may be useful to
some, being that the Outlook Express documentation is rather superficial.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan B Moyer <DANMOYER at PRODIGY.NET>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: My name is.....
> Gerardo,
>
> I *think* Thomas (aka Paul, his dad) is getting or going to get his
> "identity" resolved, at least that's what I think he said here recently.
Yes, only I read it after I sent my previous. I don't have the time to check
the list on a daily basis.Sorry.
> I think he is using OE *5*, and the easiest way to fix his problem there
is
> to go to "File" and then "Identities", then "Add New Identity", and then
add
> a new identity to their existing email account. I think maybe
"Identities"
> is what you are referring to when you suggest setting up new "accounts"?
Not exactly. It boils down to this:
* Windows 9x will let you have one or more "user profiles" (if you didn't
enable user profiles in the control panel, you still have a single unnamed
profile, transparent and common for every user).
* You can, of course, have as many actual mail accounts as you want. Not
Windows accounts, real ones, as in myself at somesite.com. In turn, some of
these accounts may redirect your mail toward others.
* In the control panel, the Internet applet (which can also be invoked from
Internet Explorer) will let you configure one or more connections (to your
ISP/s). Some of these you may use for mail only. These will be your "Windows
mail accounts", sinco you need some sort of Internet connection to download
mail (I bet you already knew that).
* Within Outlook Express (Tools menu), you can configure as many "OE mail
accounts" as you like. They will usually reflect you actual external
accounts, but they don't have to. Dad may have signed for dad at somesite.com,
family at somesite.com and homeoffice at somesite.com, and the kids be only
allowed to use the second one, so within their own "user profiles" and/or
"OE identities" (more below) they will configure just one "OE mail account",
called whatever they fancy, but pointing to the "family" actual account.
Mom's "user profile" will have OE5 add an "OE account" that calls the
"homeoffice" account, and nobody but Dad sets up an "OE account" for "dad"
(guess why). Those were the "accounts" I was speaking of.
* If you have a single-user Windows config, Outlook Express will always see
every "OE mail account" you have configured. If you have enabled "user
profiles", you will only see those "OE mail accounts" you have configured
from within that same "user profile". The "OE mail accounts" can be
imported/exported between "user profiles" as *.iaf files. Alternatively, you
may configure the same "OE mail accounts" over and over again for every
"user profile" you have created; or some, or none; or maybe with different
properties, say "user profile Johnny" activates automatic disconnect after
download, but "user profile Mary" doesn't.
* OE5 will also let you create additional "identities" (Files menu), besides
the default one you start with. "OE identities" are really useful if you
haven't enabled "user profiles"; they work just like "mini user profiles",
only within OE. "Identities" on top of "user profiles" are only useful to
hide things from yourself.
* Identity Alpha doesn't see identity Beta's folders, but they share
everything else, including "OE accounts" and connections. Neither identity
Alpha nor Beta see identity Gamma ("OE accounts", connections, nothing), for
Alpha and Beta lie within user profile A (don't ask me why, see above) and
Gamma was created from user profile B.
* The only way an identity (default or additional) from within a certain
user profile can share anything with another from within a different user
profile is (a) using Outlook (not Express, the big one with MS Office); (b)
using MS Exchange, which requires creating "services" and "profiles", from
the Mail applet in the control panel (these "profiles" have no relation
whatsoever to the Windows "user profiles"); or (c) using the OE5 import
facility (File menu); not the "export", OE5 can't export to OE5.
None of this is mandatory, all defaults work fine, it can all be combined
and extended and mixed and juggled ad nauseam, every additional step
complicates everything, and should be taken only if you really need it and
are willing to pay the price. For example, if "user profile A" downloads a
message meant for "user profile B", OE5 would let him/her do the following:
(1) move the message to an ad hoc folder, like "New messages for B";
(2) tell B that there's new mail, and log out; so
(3) B can log into Windows (as "B", of course), open OE5, go to
File->Import->Messages, selects "Microsoft Outlook Express 5" (which is A's
mail client too, how surprising), then choose "from a directory" (which is
not the default, the default being "from another identity"); that, in turn
opens a standard file selection box, where B can browse around and click on
A's mail storage (DOS) folder (more on this); then another nice box showing
all of A's OE5 mail folders, click on "New messages for B", and lo! all
messages there instantly copied to a folder of the same name within B's OE
mail storage folder; then, of course,
(4) the next time A logs in, s/he'll have to delete all messages within "New
messages for B", or B will be importing the same messages over and over ...
Note 1: Upon creating Windows user profiles, OE5 will assign a default
storage directory for each profile as
%windir%\Profiles\some_profile_name\Application
Data\Identities\{some_identity_id}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\. A little hard
on browsing. So I recommend changing it (Tools->Options) to, say, C:\OE5
Mail, with a subdirectory for every "user profile".
Note 2: When B starts the import wizard and browses A's storage folders,
every internal folder of A's is visible, and B can copy every message there
to his/her own folders. So much for security. Stow your dirty pictures
somewhere else.
Note 3: Some mail providers will let you "keep messages in the server", i.e.
not delete them after you've downloaded but keep them for a number of days
(in OE5, go to Tools->Accounts->Mail->Properties->Advanced). This lets A
delete every downloaded message meant for B (or apply a "rule" that inhibits
B-message downloading), and B can do the same. However, big messages may
soon fill up assigned server space.
> And in OE5, I don't find any "From" clickable listbox at all; even if I
> select view "all headers", it just adds "Bcc", no "from"
The clickable "From" I meant is the one that appears on top, right under the
menu (and the buttons, if you have them enabled), when you are writing a new
message or answering or forwarding one. Each "From" option reflects an "OE5
mail account" you have configured for the current "OE5 identity" within the
current "Windows user profile".
Still awake, anybody? Fine. As for networking environments ...
(sigh)
Gerardo E. Brandariz
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