Re: offtopic: ASP
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I have added a few comments.
-- Mike Nelson
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: offtopic: ASP
I answered within your message in the color purple.
Lucius L. Hilley III
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From: =A9koda=20
To: Euphoria=20
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: offtopic: ASP
Active Server Pages.
What is it all about?
I have to learn to write asp pages for my work during holidays.
Is it hard and what is it about exactly?
Not really. Just a lot to learn all at once. Seeing how your =
programming experience is only C++ and VC++ you will have to learn =
VBScript, JavaScript, HTML, & the concept of Object handling. The last =
you may have already learned through VC++.
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Where are some good sites I can learn more about it?
You already know the key words to look for. Use Yahoo, Go, =
Snap, Hotbot, Lycos, Excite....
Search for ASP, VBScript, JavaScript, HTML, DHTML.... Don't forget =
the keywords Quick Reference and/or Tutorial. You want the tutorial to =
learn and the Quick Reference as a easy reminder. Sometimes a Quick =
Reference can serve as a down and dirty Tutorial.
They say that on server side it must cover VBScript+HTML and on side =
of client JavaScript+HTML. Why is that?
They? Yes, ASP is the use of VBScript and HTML on the server =
side and JavaScript and HTML on the Client side VBScript is also =
possible on the Client side but would only work for Internet Explorer =
browsers.
What is OLEDB and ADO?
OLEDB (Object Link ?E? Database) <- A Microsoft Windows thing, I =
assume it makes use of code that is in a computer when Microsoft Excel =
is installed.
>>The OLE refers to Object Linking and Embedding
ADO <- Not sure, I just know it has something to do with =
VBScript. It is an object model that can be loaded and used.
>>ADO is Microsoft's latest means of accessing databases based on =
ActiveX Controls(stands >>for ActiveX Database Objects) Controls.
Where *GOOD* are sites to learn quick more about it?
AGAIN !!! Use those search engines.
I need to know also Access 97 , data base.
ADO? maybe that is (Access Database Object). You won't be able =
to learn about Access unless you have it. Even then, Use those search =
engines. Many times the searches will point towards Microsoft's =
Knowledge Database. That is a great place to start. You might find =
everything you need at Microsoft's site but I wouldn't bet on it.
I need interpreter for ASP "Personal Web Server for Win 95", cause I =
am using Win95. They said I can get it on MS, What is MS??
MS - Microsoft site. NT is a server OS and you would have a the =
interpreter built-in. Win95/98 don't have server capabilities right in. =
Win98 has limited server capabilities built-in.
What is SW?
SW - Software or possible Shareware. In your case I would be =
willing to bet they are referring to Software. Shareware is software =
but with restrictions imposed until the software is registered.
How can I quick learn about this stuff, I need to learn almost =
everything, as I have only programmed in C++ with VC++5.0.
Best angle is to attack this is to try and learn a little bit of =
all of them. HTML is the most important. Most of the HTML can be =
learned and faked using programs that build WebPages for you. Next you =
will want to glance over JavaScript. You don't exactly try to learn =
JavaScript right off, Just get the feel of JavaScript style of coding. =
Then move to VBScript. VBScript appears to be rather limited by itself =
but has the ability to link with other programming packages, ADO, =
OLEDB... and so forth. You will want to actually learn a good deal of =
VBScript. While learning VBScript try to get a feel of some of the =
things that you probably be working with, ADO, OLEDB, Access97. =
Anything that I have left out is probably linked to VBScript in someway. =
This is where you need to be learning those things.
=20
Study like it is a final exam. Cram, Cram, Cram. Pssst. Learn =
quick? I guess it can happen but I doubt it will. You will have to =
forget about most anything else in your life. Wife, kids, money, =
bills... You will have to think like a college kid. There is no =
tomorrow and I have to know it today. That is the only way you can =
learn that much really fast.
Shall I write my own Home page that uses ASP and other stuff?
Great idea. You will have to find a hosting service that has an =
NT server. If they have an NT server then they support ASP. If they =
support ASP then they have and NT server. If they support FrontPage =
then they have and NT server. FrontPage is a program that can create =
websites using ASP.
FrontPage cost money but FrontPage express is free and available on =
MS. The express version is a cut down version but could possibly =
greatly help you learn JavaScript, VBScript, ASP, HTML and many of the =
other things that you are asking about.
Thank you very much, every answer appreciated.
Good luck.
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> offtopic: ASP</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Active Server Pages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What is it all about?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have to learn to write asp pages for my work =
during=20
holidays.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Is it hard and what is it about=20
exactly?</FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#000000> =20
</FONT><STRONG>Not really. Just a lot to learn all at =
once. =20
<FONT color=3D#800080>Seeing how your programming experience is only =
C++ and=20
VC++ you will have to learn VBScript, JavaScript, HTML, & the =
concept of=20
Object handling. The last you may have already learned through =
VC++.</FONT></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Where are some good sites I can learn more about =
it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> You =
already know=20
the key words to look for. Use Yahoo, Go, Snap, Hotbot, Lycos, =
Excite....</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG>Search for ASP, =
VBScript,=20
JavaScript, HTML, DHTML.... Don't forget the keywords Quick =
Reference=20
and/or Tutorial. You want the tutorial to learn and the Quick=20
Reference as a easy reminder. Sometimes a Quick Reference can =
serve as=20
a down and dirty Tutorial.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>They say that on server side it must cover=20
VBScript+HTML and on side of client JavaScript+HTML. Why is=20
that?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> =
They? Yes,=20
ASP is the use of VBScript and HTML on the server side and =
JavaScript and=20
HTML on the Client side VBScript is also possible on the Client side =
but=20
would only work for Internet Explorer =
browsers.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What is OLEDB and ADO?</FONT><FONT =
color=3D#800080=20
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> OLEDB =
(<U>O</U>bject <U>L</U>ink ?<U>E</U>? <U>D</U>atabase) <- A=20
Microsoft Windows thing, I assume it makes use of code that is in a =
computer=20
when Microsoft Excel is installed.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG>>>The OLE refers =
to Object=20
Linking and Embedding</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> ADO =
<- Not=20
sure, I just know it has something to do with VBScript. =
It is an=20
object model that can be loaded and used.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG>>>ADO is =
Microsoft's latest=20
means of accessing databases based on ActiveX Controls(stands =
>>for=20
ActiveX Database Objects) Controls.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT=20
size=3D2>W</FONT>here *GOOD* are sites to learn quick more about=20
it?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> AGAIN =
!!! Use=20
those search engines.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I need to know also Access 97 , data =
base.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> ADO? =
maybe that=20
is (<U>A</U>ccess <U>D</U>atabase <U>O</U>bject). You won't be =
able to=20
learn about Access unless you have it. Even then, Use those =
search=20
engines. Many times the searches will point towards =
Microsoft's=20
Knowledge Database. That is a great place to start. You =
might=20
find everything you need at Microsoft's site but I wouldn't bet on=20
it.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I need interpreter for ASP "Personal Web=20
Server for Win 95", cause I am using Win95. They said I can get =
it on=20
MS, What is MS??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><FONT color=3D#800080=20
size=3D2><STRONG> MS - <U>M</U>icro<U>s</U>oft=20
<EM>site</EM>. NT is a server OS and you would have a the =
interpreter=20
built-in. Win95/98 don't have server capabilities right in. =
<EM>Win98=20
has</EM> <EM>limited server capabilities=20
built-in</EM>.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>What is SW?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><FONT color=3D#800080=20
size=3D2><STRONG> SW - <U>S</U>oft<U>w</U>are or =
possible=20
<U>S</U>hare<U>w</U>are. In your case I would be willing to =
bet they=20
are referring to Software. Shareware is software but with =
restrictions=20
imposed until the software is=20
registered.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How can I quick learn about this stuff, I need =
to learn=20
almost everything, as I have only programmed in C++ with=20
VC++5.0.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> Best =
angle is to=20
attack this is to try and learn a little bit of all of =
them. HTML=20
is the most important. Most of the HTML can be learned =
and faked=20
using programs that build WebPages for you. Next you =
will=20
want to glance over JavaScript. You don't exactly try to learn =
JavaScript right off, Just get the feel of JavaScript =
style of=20
coding. Then move to VBScript. VBScript appears to =
be=20
rather limited by itself but has the ability to link with other =
programming=20
packages, ADO, OLEDB... and so forth. You will want to =
actually=20
learn a good deal of VBScript. While learning =
VBScript try to get=20
a feel of some of the things that you probably be working with, ADO, =
OLEDB,=20
Access97. Anything that I have left out is probably linked to =
VBScript=20
in someway. This is where you need to be learning those=20
things.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 =
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG>Study like it is a final =
exam. =20
Cram, Cram, Cram. Pssst. Learn quick? I guess it can =
happen but=20
I doubt it will. You will have to forget about most anything =
else in=20
your life. Wife, kids, money, bills... You will have to think =
like a=20
college kid. There is no tomorrow and I have to know it =
today. =20
That is the only way you can learn that much really=20
fast.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Shall I write my own Home page that uses =
ASP and=20
other stuff?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><FONT color=3D#800080=20
size=3D2><STRONG> Great idea. You will have to =
find a=20
hosting service that has an NT server. If they have an NT =
server then=20
they support ASP. If they support ASP then they have and NT=20
server. If they support FrontPage then they have and NT =
server. =20
FrontPage is a program that can create websites using=20
ASP.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG>FrontPage cost money but =
FrontPage=20
express is free and available on MS. The express version is a =
cut down=20
version but could possibly greatly help you learn JavaScript, =
VBScript, ASP,=20
HTML and many of the other things that you are asking=20
about.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thank you very much, every answer=20
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D2><STRONG> Good=20
luck.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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