Re: What we really need...
You know...
23000 downloads doesn't necissarily mean that much.
I don't know about you guys, but I found the default editor extremely hard
to use, and it took me quite a while to figure out the language without
tutorials (there weren't any back then, so that's improved at least.) I
think there will be a lot of people who downloaded, and deleted after giving
up on it.
I'd like to see a much slicker interface to the user, at least when they're
beginning.
For example:
An installer for euphoria that had:
File associations in the registry
automated setup.
An included editor that was windows based, with:
context-sensitive help for anything in library.doc and win32lib.htm
auto-complete
clipboard support (copy-paste)
keyword colouring
links to examples.. or a windows-based tutorial, that demonstrate
use of EACH procedure or control or function
A walkthrough of the languages features, and a more indepth tutorial
I know this exists in some of the docs already, but it could be
improved in it's 'bells and whistles' - for lack of a better term.
it's awfully plain right now.
example code explanations, and perhaps 'canned' traces of these
programs in a windows format.
win32lib included, and tutorial programs for it part of the walkthrough.
I would be quite happy to put my time towards developing a tutorial program,
and working on the installer.
Do you people think this sort of project would be worthwhile?
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>From: Igor Kachan <kinz at peterlink.ru>
>Reply-To: EUforum at topica.com
>To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>Subject: Re: What we really need...
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:15:41 +0300
>
>
>Hello Irv,
>
>To see some iteration to the real situation we can visit :
>
>http://download.com.com/3150-2069-0-1-4.html
>
>and check the Total number of downloads for the different languages
>from this site.
>
>Euphoria is *popular* language, and only it is marked as *simple*
>and *powerful*.
>
>Rob doesn't care about such the counts, so we do not know
>how many downloads was from the own RDS sites for
>the Windows/Dos/Linux/FreeBSD versions.
>
>Then, I think some EU people just do their job, write the
>programs and just keep the silence about their tools to avoid
>extra talking.
>
>There are about 350 known authors in RDS archive and about 350
>subscribers on this list, but from March about 23000 programmers
>got the Win/Dos *EU version 2.3* just from download.com.
>
>Compare 23000 and 350 please, do you see some the latent
>*power* of Euphoria programmers?
>
>We just know nothing about those
>much more than 22650 members of EU2.3 community
>in 61 registered countries !
>
>Euphoria is Powerful and Popular right Now !
>
>Don't worry be happy !
>
>All we need we'll write in Euphoria! 
>
>We do not need any killers, you are right !
>
>Regards,
>Igor Kachan
>kinz at peterlink.ru
>
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> > Îò: irv at take.maxleft.com
> > Êîìó: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
> > Òåìà: What we really need...
> > Äàòà: 12 íîÿáðÿ 2002 ã. 12:03
> >
> > Do we need a 'killer app' to make Euphoria more popular?
> > I say no.
> >
> > No, because most people do not know or care what language their
> > applications are written in. Would you stop using your favorite and most
> > productive app just because you discovered that it had been written in
> > VisualWhooPas-2.0?
> >
> > Didn't think so.
> >
> > No, because any competent programmer knows that any app can be
> > written in any language. What matters is _how easily_ it can be written
> > in a given language.
> >
> > What DO we need?
> >
> > To make Euphoria more popular among programmers ~ who else is going
> > to use it? ~ we need to honestly evaluate where Euphoria excels, and
>where
> > it fails. RDS has done a good job of emphasizing Euphoria's strong
>points:
> > speed and simplicity, but speed and simplicity apparently aren't enough.
> >
> > Consider Perl, Python, Java, Ruby, Rebol.....
> > Euphoria is smaller and faster than any of the above.
> > Euphoria is more readable than perl or java, and (arguably) python and
>ruby
> > as well.
> >
> > Yet perl, python, java and ruby each have 10, 100, 1000 times as many
>users
> > as Euphoria. Why? If you really expect Euphoria to be more popular,
>you'll
> > have to be able to answer that question.
> >
> > Let's see what you think.
> > Regards,
> > Irv
>
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