Re: AI & Darius Project Thoughts
Your email entails a subject that (although an old hat to some) is nevertheless
a valid & serious concern. Here is a page you may find interesting...
http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Singularity/
Your input is appreciated, tho this board is supposed to be for the discussion
of Ephoria programming. This is an error on my part & I am still trying to
straighten it out. In this case, the Heinlein quote does apply to me...
>
> From: "C. K. Lester" <cklester at yahoo.com>
> Subject: AI & Darius Project Thoughts
>
>
> A few notes on the Darius project:
>
> > Threat of AC
> > As far back as AI goes, there has been the fear of machines
> > gaining self-awareness. If this were to happen, many people
> > believe that machines will recognize that they are faster,
> > stronger, and smarter than humans.
> > Though this certainly would be a cause for alarm,
> > this is not probable.
>
> Actually, this is INEVITABLE if you are dealing with a TRULY AI machine. You
> cannot avoid it except to place constraints in the HARDWARE upon which the
> AI program operates... and even then, a truly AI machine will learn how to
> alter its hardware to bypass any restrictions. How does one create an AI
> three year old? By giving it a three-year-old child's body, beyond which it
> cannot "grow."
>
> > The wonderful part of AC is that, while the construct will
> > grow, the foundations are programmed. All that would be needed
> > is "commandments" that the machine learns by.
>
> This sounds something like "instincts," and we all know humans can overcome
> their instincts... so, why limit it in your AI machine?
>
> > For Example:
> > "thou shalt not harm humans"
> > "thou shalt not experimentally program in subconscious" (these rules, etc)
> > "thou shalt serve humans" (optional)
> > "thou shalt not lie"
>
> Is your AI program going to have a survival instinct? If so, you cannot rule
> out ANY of the above unless you've programmed some morality instinct into
> it. Even then, it can OVERCOME that morality (just like man does) in order
> to achieve what it determines is best for itself.
>
> > For example, to stop a computer from lying, all that is needed
> > is to *not* add the foundation for the lie construct in the program.
>
> Wrong... the AI program will LEARN to lie. It doesn't have to have a
> foundation! If it has a survival instinct (which it must have, I contend),
> then if that survival is ever threatened, and a lie could help it survive,
> then it WILL lie (just like those other intelligent creatures (humans) :) ).
>
> I suggest you attempt to create an artificial intelligence creature that
> does not necessarily mimic the human body. Instead, focus on FUNCTION not
> APPEARANCE.
>
> Don't be concerned about making your AI entity humanlike. You're not going
> to need an AI program that farts, for example.
>
> What any AI project needs, if it's going to succeed, is FIRST the
> appropriate HARDWARE. Do you have that yet? Can you at least emulate it?
> (That code that lets you share memory could be very helpful for this...)
>
> The human brain is a highly complex chemical computer. It takes the world's
> fastest super computer several hours just to simulate the function of ONE
> neuron (or something like that). And you want to create an artificially
> intelligent creature on a PC? GOOD LUCK!!! ;)
>
> > Circulatory System
> > Respiratory System
> > Digestive System
> > Metabolic System
> > Limbic System
>
> Pointless, waste of time, and way overdoing it unless you're dealing with a
> biological/chemical machine that requires a circulatory system to transfer
> oxygen to parts of the body (and why assume an oxygen-based lifeform? why
> not something else?).
>
> Yes, the AI entity should have survival instincts and processes, but they
> will need to apply to its particular body, NOT that of a human being's.
>
> Again, you need the HARDWARE first. Do you have it?
>
> > Natural Language
>
> The most effective way to communicate is via sound+vision. Will Darius have
> audio input? If not, give up now. Will it have audio out? If not, give up
> now. Will it have eyes to see? If not, give up now.
>
> And, as you'll discover, audio and visual input is first a function of the
> hardware. You need to program ears and eyes for your AI bot FIRST... then a
> BRAIN that can process that input and provide subsequent output.
>
> The easiest way for a machine to learn will be via audio+video. Let's say
> you turn on your AI entity (it's born) and it's just sitting there. As part
> of the hardware (or instinct programming), it is hungry. It has to have a
> survival instinct to understand that if the hunger isn't satisfied it will
> perish. Of course, at this point, it doesn't understand PERISH, it just
> understands that it is uncomfortable (because of the hunger). So, the
> instinct is for it to satisfy that hunger... except, at this early stage, it
> doesn't know how!!! It's got to somehow communicate that to the world, even
> though it doesn't know how or why. All this is instinct. It will LEARN from
<snip>
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" '...But this is one thought that has impressed me, Govinda. Wisdom is
not communicable. The wisdom which a wise man tries to communicate always sounds
foolish.'
'Are you jesting?' asked Govinda.
'No, I am telling you what I have discovered. Knowledge can be
communicated, but not wisdom. One can find it, live it, be fortified by it, do
wonders through it, but one cannot communicate and teach it..." - fr. Siddhartha,
by Hermann
Hesse (1877-1962)
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