Re: The Euphoria Community (long)
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From: <budmeister1 at JUNO.COM>
To: <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: The Euphoria Community (long)
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> Finally, if you're not happy with the docs, or they're not clear enough
> for your liking, then hack at it. Do you expect to be spoon fed exactly
> how to use peek() and poke()!? If you're as intelligent as you seem to
> be, then why don't you just figure it out for yourself? Are you afraid
> the computer is going to call you mean names for screwing up? ;)
Not call me mean names exactly, but if poke() takes off when i feed it a
sequence and trashed vital system areas, the poor puter would be real upset!
Better safe than sorry. :)
> [Euphoria vs Other Languages]
>
> There has been much ado about nothing on this list when it comes to
> comparing Euphoria to other languages. "Why doesn't it have this
> feature?"
> "Why can't we use this? Java has it" "Why aren't there structures?"
I like sequences and lack of typing too. Think about it, if i put a integer
into a var, then i put it there, i know it's there, and if i want to be
*sure* it's an integer before i use it, i'll verify it myself. Otherwise, i
may wish to access it as a char or a memory pointer or a "goto" target, and
i may wish to use %temp as all of those at different time, or load whatever
i want into a sequence.
But, imo, Eu still needs a "goto" within functions/procedures. I'll take
Rob's word for it that me writing a function to build C-type strings will be
as fast as native Eu code, but that it's not native still bugs me some,
seems to me he could piggyback it on the existing code that does sequence
storage.
> I believe that most of you on this list were attracted by many of the
> same ideals: simplicity, easy to learn, easy to code, fast, and powerful.
> Euphoria is *different*. Why would you want to make it like these other
> languages that all of you profess to dislike so much?
Just because i hate strong var typing doesn't mean i don't want to use a
"goto"!
>
> When designing a language, there are tradeoffs between speed and
> features.
> If you want speed, you have to lose some features.
A "goto" might make it faster, not slower.
And i'm sure nested sequences are slower than a static record, but for *my*
use in this one application, i need sequences, and will use Eu for it. It
sure beats constantly fighting types and pointers in variable records and
trying to to make a compiler not do what it was designed to do (in pascal,
for instance).
> Everett, I think your problem is that you just want to get, get, get,
> and not give. Have you sent any code fragments to help another guy
> on the list out when he needed help?
Or women?
> On that note, I want to give a huge BRAVO! to David Cuny, Pete Eberlein,
> Irv Mullins, and all the other distinguished members of this list that
> have given much of their time, energy, and knowledge in their
> contributions
> to the Euphoria community.
Ditto.
Kat
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