Re: another one bites the dust
>but it ain't been real fun.
Its not sometimes...
> the
>implimentation of the language leaves me wondering why so much of the
>language is in "Stamped" files rather than compiled into it and why so much
>of the language was NOT written by the guy making the money from it.
The way the language has always been...and is a cool idea I think, that the
core is developed to be fast and the language develops and grows by user
imput. The whole structure of that is the bold grand experiment. I think
it is cool, and some of the things developed BY the users have been
extremely interesting, considering it is a 175k interpreter. And stamped
files is a VERY recent addition, to make unregistered users lives easier.
>I can hear the refrain "Because it would slow it down." or "Because it
>would be too big." To the same size and speed as Qbasic, perhaps? The
>reality is. folks, that what the man behind the curtain is not saying is:
>size and speed play a big part in why Euphoria drags along as an
>interpreter.
Its fast enouph for me...you can have ANYbasic...I don't care for it.
>A while ago I was chastised for my opinions on "older technology" and
>people's ability to pay... etc. etc. The truth is (in my useless opinion)
>this is Euphoria's main sales market: 386's and 286's and it is the reason
>Rob is in no hurry to upgrade the language with features which won't work
>on his bread and butter.
Euphoria WON'T run on a 286. It IS optimized for Pentium in some instances.
>Try lcc-win32 with BCX or Max Reason's GPL'd XBasic ( for Win and Linux)
>not to mention Borland's Turbo Museum. Don't like freeware want to pay for
>it? FirstBasic $25 for dos from PowerBasic, Or OmniBasic for DOS Win,
>Linux $29 for the personal version. These are COMPILERS not an interpreter
>and will beat the pants off of Euphoria's execution speed.
>Each of those languages have their drawbacks
Try not wanting, or knowing how to program in C, or WANTING to use basic.
Euphoria is a great beginners and users language.
but less so than listening to
>grumpy folks call each other names and dealing a language that has less and
>less going for it.
You have this any any group. They just can't control themselves/myselves
sometimes.
>Euphoria could be a great language but as it stands it will continue to be
>a "toy" language created by one guy who is assisted by other folks, who in
>the genius and spirit of Rube Goldberg, manage to tack things on to it, so
>it can continue to function.
Just because Euphoria doesn't tack on anything and everything that can be
created by the user, doesn't mean it is Rube Goldberg. I would rather do
more with LESS...I am sick of having MULTI MEGABYTES of code to run on my
latest greates multibuck machine, all to have it run slower than my old
386-sx33 with 4 megs of ram under Win3.11
>
>Wouldn't the effort be better spent in other ways? Like turning it into a
>compiler? Like giving it a standard set of c-like or pascal like calling
>routines. As it stands it is a fatherless child of C with an irrational
>upbringing.
Hardly irrational I think, I just don't think you understand the beauty of
the idea. If you want C, it is there for you in tons of ways, costs, and
implementations. If you want your own interpreter, and speak C, check out
PEU from Pete Eberlein, and modify what he has to creat your OWN language.
>I congratulate each of you on your contributions to keeping Rob in
>business. You have done an excellent job, I hope you will feel the same way
>when he releases the next version... If he ever does...
I have never given him a dollar...and he has NEVER bitched about it. He has
done more to improve the language in the past 2 years than in a long time
before that, because user interest has grown. The percentage of
unregistered users is quite large, and there is NEVER any royalties if we
develop something with that unregistered product.
>I look at the words of this group and say it's time to move on. I can hear
>your electronic sigh of relief...
I don't blame you, but the silent majority will miss the input of a probably
quite capable programmer. I am saying that this language is developed
JOINTLY, and your leaving will take away from that, which I guess is both's
loss. Sorry a few grumpy old men drove you away.
Cya
Monty
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