Re: Win32LIb/Llama Status
I've seen other attempts to make an otherwise procedural interpreted
language into an OOP language with the result being degraded performance
(eg. [incr] TCL). I believe trying to shoehorn OOP into Euphoria via Llama
with never result in the same level of performance now enjoyed by Win32Lib.
I, from a personal... and selfish standpoint, would prefer that you extend
Win32Lib into the BEST Windows GUI library for Euphoria that "money" can
"buy"! I know your ultimate goal is Cross-Platform GUI, but can't that be
achieved by redesigning Win32Lib instead? Other developers can learn to
extend it if you set the rules and provide examples.
Only my opinion... Gary.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Cuny <dcuny at LANSET.COM>
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 2:39 AM
Subject: Win32LIb/Llama Status
>For anyone curious about the status of Llama and Win32Lib:
>
>[ The Bad News ]
>
>Llama won't bind correctly, even with -clear_routines. I suspect the
problem
>is that I have a bunch of include files with the same local function
names -
>for example, "set".
>
>(BTW, thanks for the hint about alt+034. I theory, that feature is supposed
>to be in EE)
>
>Anyway, Euphoria decides that the second "set" is a name conflict, and the
>next "set" that follows... each is renamed some symbol like "Dg" or "Lw",
>despite the -clear_routines option being selected.
>
>Naturally, routine_id can't find the renamed symbol, and Llama returns
error
>after error about methods not being defined.
>
>This is a Bad Thing. I could get around it by renaming the function to
>unique identifiers, such as windowSet and pushButtonSet. But I'd prefer
that
>it just work correctly. I'd like to see this fixed, but not before the
Linux
>port.
>
>
>[ Win32Lib Status ]
>
>Sorry about not posting the latest version of Win32Lib. If anyone wants the
>most current version (with updated documentation but no demos), snag the
>copy that's posted with the Pretender demo. I've been hammering away at
>Llama, and didn't get a chance to update it yet.
>
>If anyone is holding off on writing an application using Win32Lib because
>you think it'll be made obsolete by Llama, my advice is to use Win32Lib.
>It's more stable and feature complete. When Llama finally gets stable
enough
>to start writing programs with, it should be trivial to port from Win32Lib.
>
>
>[ New Llama Stuff ]
>
>Pixmaps (color bitmaps) and BitBlt (fast graphic and sprites) work. I've
>ported the Pretender demo; it seems to run ok. I didn't think I'd ever get
>that stuff working.
>
>The class library has been revamped, simplified and speeded up. All this is
>invisible to the end user.
>
>The native event handling code has been pulled out of the class library and
>written in another module. This helps make the code more portable.
>
>All the native widgets from the prior version of Llama have been ported to
>the new version, except for menus. Menus are a bit more messy, and aren't
>quite the no-brainer ports that most of the other classes were.
>
>A couple of portable (emulated) controls have been implemented. I've got
>push buttons, check boxes and radio buttons working, to some extent. These
>controls look and feel like native controls, both to the developer and the
>end user, and they work side-by-side with native controls.
>
>And, of course, there are tons of small and large bug fixes.
>
>
>[ What's Still Missing From Llama ]
>
>Off the top of my head, I'd say the following features in Win32Lib have
>still not been ported:
>
> - multiple windows (they might work - I just haven't tested them)
> - modal windows
> - tab keys
> - menus and menu bars
> - decent documentation
>
>All told, the gap between Win32Lib and Llama continues to close. I'm a bit
>cautious about the speed of Llama - it seems to run OK, but I'm worried
>about the overhead associated with the classes. With that said, I'm still
>quite cautiously optimistic about Llama being able to replace Win32Lib.
>
>
>[ So When Will It Be Posted ]
>
>I'll try - really - to get a copy of Llama and the latest version of
>Win32Lib out this weekend. No promises, though.
>
>Comments?
>
>-- David Cuny
>
>-- David Cuny
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