Re: Open Discussion (Euphoria)
Eucoder wrote:
>
> Vincent wrote:” Why would you want a compiler? The Euphoria to C
> >translator is close enough to that already. You translate your code to
> >C then "compile" it to a EXE or DLL/SO.”
>
> Vincent you and I are not going to agree on my plans for a hybrid version of
> EU because you and I do not use EU for the same purposes. Furthermore, when
> I look at a product I look at its COMMERCIAL value and how it can be
> improved to be more appealing commercially. I do think EU can be improved
> greatly not only internally but aesthetically as well.
We agree that we disagree with eachother. 
> Vincent wrote: “The Public Domain source and C source share virtually
> >identical Euphoria coded front-ends. The C version has an extention to
> >the front-end to help it interface with the C back-end. The Public
> >Domain source has a back-end written completely in Euphoria, while the
> >C source has a highly optimized C back-end. Profiling and advanced
> >trace facility features have been omitted from the Public Domain
> >version. Both versions are 100% compatable and the back-ends execute
> >the same exact intermediate language (IL) opcodes. The only difference
> >is just exectution speed.”
>
> Not entirely true, I have had a few projects that run perfectly under the
> RDS version of EU, but have errors when running on the public domain version
> of EU. And I have seen projects created by others that have also crashed under
> the open source version. Here is a perfect example: Download Elliott's
> Bass library, and run the “Spectrum.exw” example under the RDS version of EU.
> Click the screen of the window to change the spectrum style. As you can see
>
> it works perfectly. Now run the same example under your own compiled version
>
> of EU then click the screen, it will crash. That is just one example of how
> both versions are not entirely the same.
OK... there is a "better" call-back system in the PD-source than in the C
backend. The PD-source uses Matt Lewis's infinate argument callback machine code,
where as the C version is limited to 9. This was done because the other version
was not working with the PD-source. The reason RDS isn't considering it in the C
backend is because it is machine coded and limited to the x86 architecture (for
now).
The PD-source has a few known bugs to date, I'll see if I can reproduce it. If
indeed it's a new unknown bug, it shall be sqaushed soon enough! 
> Vincent wrote: “I hope you don't decide to leave and settle with a lesser
> >language. Euphoria is as open as it will ever get while under RDS
> >rule, I think they made a good strive at opening up, while still
> >remaining in control”
>
> Vincent have you ever wondered why the veterans of EU are no longer around?
> I have been around here a since 2000, and I am not going to stop using EU.
> To my knowledge I am the only one using EU outside of personal projects,
> so it is obvious I believe in the language.
Good, I'm glad you will stay. 
I left Euphoria for about two weeks to Java and C#; I came running back here
before you can "supercalifragilistic".
Regards,
Vincent
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