Re: Open Discussion (Euphoria)
-- Chris Said --
Hello All,
I would like to have an open discussion regarding
Euphoria and moving the language forward. I would like
to get your thoughts and opinions on the following: A
few years ago I approached Robert with a proposal to
try and bring Euphoria to the mainstream market,
unfortunately he declined.
Recently my product Cloak was acquired by a larger
company, and by the first quarter of 06 we will no
longer be the owners of Cloak. Although my company
will no longer be the owner of the rights, we will
still be involved with the project. Because of the
acquisition I decided it would be the best time to
also change the name of the company and produce other
products. Now that my company is changing focus I
thought it would be great to approach Robert once
again with another proposal to attempt to bring
Euphoria to the forefront.
As I explained to Robert I am not interested in
supporting multiple platforms, and because of that I
suggested my company would create a hybrid Euphoria.
This way people who are pleased with Euphoria as is
could use the RDS version, and people who are into
hardcore Windows programming would use the hybrid
version. I am not suggesting by letting my company
create a hybrid version of Euphoria it will become
popular overnight. What I am suggesting is by allowing
my company to take the language in another direction;
it will expand the amount of people currently using
Euphoria. My company is no where near as large as the
other major software companies, but we do have access
to resources that are not currently available to RDS.
What I plan to do with the hybrid version is release a
complete Windows development environment. Complete
with an IDE, compiler, Windows style debugger, and a
complete standardized Win32Lib. No more Console/DOS
boxes, all error messages would be Windows based. In
addition to redesigning the hybrid version to be
Windows only, we would concentrate on supporting user
projects by funding some of the larger libraries. In
my opinion the success of moving Euphoria forward will
be based on the users, and not the amount of features
it contains.
Regrettably once again Robert has said no. He feels by
allowing my company to create a hybrid version of
Euphoria, it will split the community apart, and
eventually it will compete with the RDS version,
although Robert will still receive a royalty from our
product. What is your opinion on this? Would you be
against another company developing a separate version
of Euphoria?
---Chris
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Ok, since you're asking for an open discussion, I'll
pipe in too. I'm first going to politely agree with
Robert. Your product would create competition with
RDS on the Windows platform. And if you are in fact
better at marketing software than RDS (as you implied)
the competition could be detrimental to ADS. Perhaps
not financially as you stated something about
Royalties, but he would have share control over the
product with his competition. Just as other companies
have to add feature X to match feature X in their
competitors product in order to compete.
That said, what is stopping you from making a new
BASIC interpreter? Or a new Pascal interpreter?
Maybe even a new C interpreter? The answer is of
course nothing. Just as the as answer to what is
stopping you from making a new EU interpreter is also
nothing.
But, you don't want to make a new interpreter.
Instead, it seems you want to stand on Robs shoulders
and hail your new wiz bang full of GUI goo IDE,
compiler, interpreter, as the next great thing. Shame
on you! If you want to build a better Eu experience,
a better interpreter, whatever, go for it. But don't
whine about the fact that you want to take Eu in a
direction that the current author/maintainer doesn't
want to go. It's his, and he has the right to keep
it, and to protect his interest in it.
BTW, if I sound to harsh, bummer. But the truth is,
I hope you do write a newer and better Eu. And in
turn, I hope Rob out does you with his own
newer/better improvements. Further, I hope that cycle
continues for a while. :)
--
Ronald Weidner
http://www.techport80.com
PHP Software developer for hire.
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