1. MS and ownership rights
Microsoft has not wanted this to be public, but here goes.......
The terms of use of the Passport program and their email services gives them
ownership of anything passing thru their computers. While this could have been
argued in court for/against all email or internet providers (and employers
*have*
argued this in court and won), the small print you don't read when using MS
email
providers, or Windoze XP, puts the weight of law squarely in their court. From a
web
page:
Windows XP will integrate the Windows authentication system with the Passport
authentication system, so a user can log onto Windows XP a single time and also
be logged onto Passport
http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/04/02/0156291
(additional info on the web page)
So if you develop anything remotely commercial with Eu, and write it on the MS
XP
OS, or send it thru one of the MS email providers, or the MS satalite wireless
hookup, you may find MS knocking on your door demanding royalties from you for
using your own program! Chances are fairly good that they will claim ownership
of
this email too, since some of you use hotmail, etc.....
Kat
2. Re: MS and ownership rights
----- Original Message -----
From: Kat <gertie at PELL.NET>
>
> Microsoft has not wanted this to be public, but here goes.......
>
> The terms of use of the Passport program and their email services gives
them
> ownership of anything passing thru their computers. While this could have
been
> argued in court for/against all email or internet providers (and employers
*have*
> argued this in court and won), the small print you don't read when using
MS email
> providers, or Windoze XP, puts the weight of law squarely in their court.
>From a web
> page:
>
> Windows XP will integrate the Windows authentication system with the
Passport
> authentication system, so a user can log onto Windows XP a single time and
also
> be logged onto Passport
>
> http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/04/02/0156291
> (additional info on the web page)
>
> So if you develop anything remotely commercial with Eu, and write it on
the MS XP
> OS, or send it thru one of the MS email providers, or the MS satalite
wireless
> hookup, you may find MS knocking on your door demanding royalties from you
for
> using your own program! Chances are fairly good that they will claim
ownership of
> this email too, since some of you use hotmail, etc.....
>
> Kat
>
>
Fritz Deneken
Power to the People !!!
3. Re:MS and ownership rights
- Posted by joshua293 at EMAIL.COM
Apr 10, 2001
Thanks for the heads up, Kat. I guess the terms also allow MS to claim
ownership of any program whose code I include in a posting to this list,
for, say, help with debugging.
I think it's time for a nationwide boycott of Microsoft products.
Letters to Congress-people would help, too.
As for me, give me Unix or give me ... err...., never mind.
(From a once-ardent-supporter of Microsoft, whose back cannot take this last
straw.)
Josh.
Kat wrote:
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:41:05 -0500
>From: Kat <gertie at PELL.NET>
>Subject: MS and ownership rights
>Microsoft has not wanted this to be public, but here goes.......
>The terms of use of the Passport program and their email >services gives
them
>ownership of anything passing thru their computers.
>http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/04/02/0156291
>(additional info on the web page)
>
>....
>Kat
>
4. Re: MS and ownership rights
While I'm not a fan of M$ by any means; and I will be forbidding the use =
of M$ XP on any machine in my company; I must say that I do not reach the =
same conclusions about their intentions from the Passport EULA. Relevant =
portions have been copied below. If further evidence of industrial =
hijacking (which I am fully convinced M$ is capable and in the habit of =
doing) based on this EULA can be provided, I would greatly appreciate it.
Michael J. Sabal
----------------
http://www.passport.com/Consumer/TermsOfUse.asp:=20
PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION
Unless you are a signatory to a Passport services agreement, the Passport =
Web Site and Passport Services are for your ***personal and non-commercial =
use***.=20
SOFTWARE AVAILABLE ON THE PASSPORT WEB SITE
Software (if any) that is made available to download from the Passport Web =
Site, ***excluding software that may be made available by end-users =
through a Communication Service***, ("Software") is the copyrighted work =
of Microsoft and/or its suppliers.=20
---------------
>>> gertie at PELL.NET 04/10/01 12:41AM >>>
The terms of use of the Passport program and their email services gives =
them=20
ownership of anything passing thru their computers.=20
http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=3D01/04/02/0156291=20
(additional info on the web page)
So if you develop anything remotely commercial with Eu, and write it on =
the MS XP=20
OS, or send it thru one of the MS email providers, or the MS satalite =
wireless=20
hookup, you may find MS knocking on your door demanding royalties from you =
for=20
using your own program!
5. Re:MS and ownership rights
Kat wrote:
>The terms of use of the Passport program and their email services gives
>them ownership of anything passing thru their computers.
This topic showed up on Slashdot a couple of days ago. Within a short time,
the wording was updated. Despite the paranoia, I think it was just
boilerplate being mindlessly applied.
-- David Cuny
