1. Some legal issues...
- Posted by "Matt A. Arriola" <Prog_Matt at YAHOO.COM>
Aug 24, 1999
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Last edited Aug 25, 1999
Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud them. I
thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what?
2. Re: Some legal issues...
- Posted by bytebrain <bytebrain at MINDSPRING.COM>
Aug 24, 1999
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Last edited Aug 25, 1999
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Hi Matt A. Arriola, you wrote on 8/24/99 7:37:47 PM:
>Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud
>them. I
>thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what=3F
I think there was a bit of a fuss the last time somebody
did that. I don't know about the legality, but I suspect
some will not be happy with it.
Craig
-----bytebrain at mindspring.com------
The pursuit of mathematics is a
divine madness of the human spirit.
--Alfred North Whitehead
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3. Re: Some legal issues...
- Posted by "C. K. Lester" <cklester at TICNET.COM>
Aug 24, 1999
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Last edited Aug 25, 1999
I don't think it's actually been done, although on April Fool's day this
year I had a bit of fun wit' it. 
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Subject: Re: Some legal issues...
Hi Matt A. Arriola, you wrote on 8/24/99 7:37:47 PM:
>Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud
>them. I
>thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what?
I think there was a bit of a fuss the last time somebody
did that. I don't know about the legality, but I suspect
some will not be happy with it.
Craig
-----bytebrain at mindspring.com------
The pursuit of mathematics is a
divine madness of the human spirit.
--Alfred North Whitehead
4. Re: Some legal issues...
> Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud them. I
> thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what?
If you write an unshrouder, then we have no reason shrouding anymore.
Then we would need to write *another* shrouder, and *another* shrouder,
until you give up.
The purpose of shrouding is to SHIELD your source code.
So when you make an unshrouder, you are doing precizely that what *everyone*
who ever shrouder a file does not want you to do: think about it.
Ralf N.
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
ralf_n at email.com
UIN: 9389920
[[ Elevator ]]
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~nieuwen
Updated! With the latest Win32Lib, GTklib, I've added Visual Euphoria and
VEGA.
5. Re: Some legal issues...
Hello
I butting in again; sorry. Perhaps Rob in a future version of Euphoria can
encrypt the source code in shrouded files, just to make the unreadable.
That will deter most people from trying to examine the source.
Thanks
Paul Martin
At 07:45 AM 8/25/1999 -0000, you wrote:
>> Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud them. I
>> thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what?
>
>If you write an unshrouder, then we have no reason shrouding anymore.
>Then we would need to write *another* shrouder, and *another* shrouder,
>until you give up.
>The purpose of shrouding is to SHIELD your source code.
>So when you make an unshrouder, you are doing precizely that what *everyone*
>who ever shrouder a file does not want you to do: think about it.
>
>Ralf N.
>nieuwen at xs4all.nl
>ralf_n at email.com
>UIN: 9389920
>
>[[ Elevator ]]
>Http://www.xs4all.nl/~nieuwen
> Updated! With the latest Win32Lib, GTklib, I've added Visual Euphoria and
>VEGA.
>
>
6. Re: Some legal issues...
Paul Martin wrote:
> I butting in again; sorry. Perhaps Rob in a future version of Euphoria
can
> encrypt the source code in shrouded files, just to make the unreadable.
> That will deter most people from trying to examine the source.
Encryption is an option since v2.
Matt was referring to v1.4 source code, however I still think, those users
should not need to upgrade Euphoria to be ensured of no one hacing their
code.
Keep an unshrouder, if you make one, Matt, to yourself. Don't post it, don't
share it.
Ralf N.
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
ralf_n at email.com
UIN: 9389920
[[ Elevator ]]
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~nieuwen
Updated! With the latest Win32Lib, GTklib, I've added Visual Euphoria and
VEGA.
>
> Thanks
> Paul Martin
>
> At 07:45 AM 8/25/1999 -0000, you wrote:
> >> Hi. I found a few shrouded Eu 1.4 files, and wanted to unshroud them. I
> >> thought of making an unshrouder, but is that legal or what?
> >
> >If you write an unshrouder, then we have no reason shrouding anymore.
> >Then we would need to write *another* shrouder, and *another* shrouder,
> >until you give up.
> >The purpose of shrouding is to SHIELD your source code.
> >So when you make an unshrouder, you are doing precizely that what
*everyone*
> >who ever shrouder a file does not want you to do: think about it.
> >
> >Ralf N.
> >nieuwen at xs4all.nl
> >ralf_n at email.com
> >UIN: 9389920
> >
> >[[ Elevator ]]
> >Http://www.xs4all.nl/~nieuwen
> > Updated! With the latest Win32Lib, GTklib, I've added Visual Euphoria
and
> >VEGA.
> >
> >
>
7. Re: Some legal issues...
At 10:24 PM 8/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't think it's actually been done, although on April Fool's day this
>year I had a bit of fun wit' it.
>
Actually, I wrote one and released it to the list almost exactly 2 years
ago. It successfully reproduced
version 1.5's built in functions, and automatically indented for..next
loops, etc. It left user-defined functions and variables
untouched however, so it wasn't all that usefull.
Bytebrain is correct, it created quite a stir, and was one of the reasons
people demanded the option to be able to encrypt
their source as well as shrouding it. It was never developed past my final
public release of V.99.1b due to my concerns
about legality (being as licence agreements typically force you to agree
not to "reverse engineer" the program, which
UnShroud and RIP blatantly violated, as pointed out by Robert -- see
Any way, those who are interested in my source, Email me at jpowell at iefx.com.
btw UnShroud can be used in conjunction with RIP on a bound .exe file, as
long as it is a version 1.x Euphoria exe. 2.x is not
supported by RIP or UnShroud due to the discontinuation of those projects.
PS. These were not originally intended to break into anyones code. It all
started with an inocent post by Michael Packard of
Lord Generic Productions (anyone know what happened to his website, or
where it moved to?). In May of 97 he mailed the
list complaining about having lost a projects current source tree from a
copy process gone bad, but still had a bound .exe that
was current. RIP was developed in 4 days to pull the shrouded source out
of his .exe, and about 20 days later UnShroud was
working and mailed to the list. I never found out whether they helped him
or not, due to the deluge of email I received telling me
to cease and desist :) A couple of months later, I lost my Teleport
account, and my interest in Euphoria waned. I never completely
gave up though, and recently rejoined the list (as a lurking soul, I don't
usually have much to contribute these days)
