1. Doslinux
- Posted by Greg Phillips <i.shoot at REDNECKS.COM>
Jul 25, 1999
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Last edited Jul 26, 1999
Just a note, I'm about to attempt to run the linux port of Euphoria on
Doslinux, I've got NO idea what the results'll be, I'll let you all
know.
Greg
2. Re: Doslinux
Euphoria works just fine under Doslinux, no bugs so far.
Those who are interested in seeing what Linux can do, and want to try
things like Euphoria, may want to take a look at Doslinux,
Doslinux weighs in at a tiny 10mb, but keep in mind that, due to its size,
anemities such as extensive man pages, xfree86, gcc, etc. are not included
in the download, but can be downloaded off the Doslinux webpage, or
elsewhere on the internet.
The appeal of this distribution of linux is that it does not require a
separate partition. It can be booted from any dos system. The entire
system will just be a file on your existing dos system, which will act
like it's own partition. You can make this file anywhere from 20mb, to
the size of the hard disk, if you wish. If you think you'll be
downloading a lot of packages, you'll need a 'partition' size of above
100mb's or so.
Greg Phillips
3. Doslinux
Has anyone here heard of Doslinux, by Kent Robotti? It's a small Linux distro
that can be installed on an existing Dos system (msdos, pcdos, opendos, etc.)
Greg Phillips
4. Re: Doslinux
>Has anyone here heard of Doslinux, by Kent Robotti? It's a small Linux
distro
>that can be installed on an existing Dos system (msdos, pcdos, opendos,
etc.)
Yes Greg,
I tried it out a long time ago and got x to run under it, etc. It
worked really good. If you do a search in the archives, I think you'll
find some messages by me talking about it. It has changed a bit since then,
but it sure runs exu programs fast! I tried it out when I heard it ran
exu this morning, after spending some free time in he last couple of days
downloading the necessary (and small) parts to it. It was actually quite
easy to install.
A redhat friend of mine was giving me a bad time, telling me to get a
"real" distrobution of Linux, but I'll tell you...I have played with
slackware which is a "real distro" and it doesn't run .exu
I am going to stick with it for a while and see where it gets me.
Although I don't think it has a real big following compared with the bigger
distro's (there for cutting down on potential tech help) Ken Robotti has
been very actively updating it appears.
By the way Rob...Great job with Linux Euphoria it runs REALLY fast!!!
Monty in Oregon
5. Re: Doslinux
If you're looking for a link, I found one at:
If that's not what you're looking for, I'm sorry to waste your time.
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From: Greg Phillips[SMTP:i.shoot at REDNECKS.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 3:07 AM
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Doslinux
Has anyone here heard of Doslinux, by Kent Robotti? It's a small Linux distro
that can be installed on an existing Dos system (msdos, pcdos, opendos, etc.)
Greg Phillips
6. Re: Doslinux
I installed it a few of days ago, and, I must say, for the size, it's actually
comparable to the larger distro's. I have X working, and KDE almost working. A
couple days ago I posted a message about being able to run exu, without *any*
problems.
The reason I was asking was because I'm thinking about starting up a small
website about Doslinux with Euphoria. I feel it's a great way for people who
want to try exu, and linux in general, with minimal hassle and fuss.
I'm also thinking of putting it to cd with a bunch of utilities and things (X, a
couple windows managers, etc. etc.) for whoever wants it. I'd have to check all
the licenses for the different software, but I think selling it for $10 or $15
to cover the costs of shipping, and the the cd wouldn't be unreasonable (it'd
have euphoria installed, of course).
Thanks,
Greg
MB King wrote:
> >Has anyone here heard of Doslinux, by Kent Robotti? It's a small Linux
> distro
> >that can be installed on an existing Dos system (msdos, pcdos, opendos,
> etc.)
>
> Yes Greg,
> I tried it out a long time ago and got x to run under it, etc. It
> worked really good. If you do a search in the archives, I think you'll
> find some messages by me talking about it. It has changed a bit since then,
> but it sure runs exu programs fast! I tried it out when I heard it ran
> exu this morning, after spending some free time in he last couple of days
> downloading the necessary (and small) parts to it. It was actually quite
> easy to install.
> A redhat friend of mine was giving me a bad time, telling me to get a
> "real" distrobution of Linux, but I'll tell you...I have played with
> slackware which is a "real distro" and it doesn't run .exu
> I am going to stick with it for a while and see where it gets me.
> Although I don't think it has a real big following compared with the bigger
> distro's (there for cutting down on potential tech help) Ken Robotti has
> been very actively updating it appears.
>
> By the way Rob...Great job with Linux Euphoria it runs REALLY fast!!!
> Monty in Oregon
7. Re: Doslinux
- Posted by Jason Gade <jgade at PCEZ.COM>
Jul 29, 1999
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Last edited Jul 30, 1999
I have installed Doslinux and have got it working. I got X working too. I
haven't done much with it though; it's pretty limited.
But if you don't want to repartition your drive, it is a good way to get
your feet wet.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Phillips <i.shoot at REDNECKS.COM>
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:07 AM
Subject: Doslinux
>Has anyone here heard of Doslinux, by Kent Robotti? It's a small Linux
distro
>that can be installed on an existing Dos system (msdos, pcdos, opendos,
etc.)
>
>Greg Phillips
>
8. Re: Doslinux
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> I have installed Doslinux and have got it working. I got X working too. I
> haven't done much with it though; it's pretty limited.
>
> But if you don't want to repartition your drive, it is a good way to get
> your feet wet.
>
Jason:
Could you give us more detail about the limitations? It would help to know
these things before we get too interested in DOSLinux on CD.
I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
Regards,
Irv
9. Re: Doslinux
>I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
No I don't think so Irv. You can still use the file system, but you are
just basing it out of something called a loop back version of the file
system which resides in a file on your dos drive in a dir called doslinux.
I am planning on mounting a small seagate that I have as a native ext2 file
system drive to store stuff on. It looks pretty good, and I know that he
has been actively working on it for a long time. I don't know when I
originally installed it, but it must have been a year ago, and he was making
changes quite rapidly then, and you would have to reinstall the whole thing.
Now it is in chunks that seem to make it so there isn't so much to download
if you need to update. It still has the capability to add gcc, networking,
pnp, snd cards, x, and compile new kernels and it seems to run fast.
On the subject of a Linux EU cd, I think that distributing Kent Robotti's
hard work for money, along with Rob's language, and all of the work of the
contributors who contribute freely to the Eu community is a questionable
thing. You are making money on their work, just because you have a cd
burner.
If you really want to do something, study up on the FREELY available
source to Linux, and create your own distro. Then incorporate Eulinux into
it with the capability to add the Complete version (s) to it so that Rob
gets his cut, and you get yours...and split up what is left to the
contributors. Also adding separate tracks so that Dos and Linux can get
into the cd would be a good thing. Maybe just make it Dos compatible, as
Linux can tap into Dos CD's.
Anyway...not to be negative, I am just thinking about the mercenary
aspects of the proposal...
Monty in Oregon
10. Re: Doslinux
Oh, you keep the file system. I'm putting up a small website about DosLinux
with
information about it you may want to know.
It's only limitation is that it gives you a base Linux system, which can be
*easily* extended with downloads. For example, I have DosLinux running as
psuedo-Redhat, with X, KDE, the gcc compiler, etc.
DosLinux allows a user to eliminate all the hassle by installing Linux to an
image file on a hard drive. No repartitioning necessary. This is not a umsdos
file system, but a real linux ext2 file system inside an image file mounted
using
a loopback device.
Basically, it boots from dos, then kicks dos out from underneath it.
Greg Phillips
Irv Mullins wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, you wrote:
> > I have installed Doslinux and have got it working. I got X working too. I
> > haven't done much with it though; it's pretty limited.
> >
> > But if you don't want to repartition your drive, it is a good way to get
> > your feet wet.
> >
> Jason:
>
> Could you give us more detail about the limitations? It would help to know
> these things before we get too interested in DOSLinux on CD.
>
> I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
>
> Regards,
> Irv
11. Re: Doslinux
MB King wrote:
[snip]
> On the subject of a Linux EU cd, I think that distributing Kent Robotti's
> hard work for money, along with Rob's language, and all of the work of the
> contributors who contribute freely to the Eu community is a questionable
> thing. You are making money on their work, just because you have a cd
> burner.
I'd LOVE to be able to give these CD's to people for free. Unfortunately, I
can't do that. I'd be broke if I did. Shipping to the US from Canada is a bit
pricey, and the price of CD's just shot way up. Any profit I make is going
straight towards a shiny new Complete Edition copy of Eu.
I'm offering this as a convenience to the Eu community. I'm hoping to have
everything installed and ready to go, with as little effort on the users part as
possible.
>
> If you really want to do something, study up on the FREELY available
> source to Linux, and create your own distro. Then incorporate Eulinux into
> it with the capability to add the Complete version (s) to it so that Rob
> gets his cut, and you get yours...and split up what is left to the
> contributors. Also adding separate tracks so that Dos and Linux can get
> into the cd would be a good thing. Maybe just make it Dos compatible, as
> Linux can tap into Dos CD's.
> Anyway...not to be negative, I am just thinking about the mercenary
> aspects of the proposal...
> Monty in Oregon
Please, continue, I need all the input I can get, positive, negative, and
otherwise!
Greg Phillips
12. Re: Doslinux
Hey, guys... I just bought SuSE Linux v6.1 last night... gonna repartition
'n' stuff tonight and set myself up a Linux box. Anyway, have there been
any compatibility issues with SuSE's Linux and EUnix?
T'anks in advance,
ck
P.S. I can't wait to learn Linux. Why? Because I want to kiss Micro$oft
goodbye forever. 
At 01:31 PM 7/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Oh, you keep the file system. I'm putting up a small website about DosLinux
>with
>information about it you may want to know.
>
>It's only limitation is that it gives you a base Linux system, which can be
>*easily* extended with downloads. For example, I have DosLinux running as
>psuedo-Redhat, with X, KDE, the gcc compiler, etc.
>DosLinux allows a user to eliminate all the hassle by installing Linux to an
>image file on a hard drive. No repartitioning necessary. This is not a umsdos
>file system, but a real linux ext2 file system inside an image file mounted
>using
>a loopback device.
>
>Basically, it boots from dos, then kicks dos out from underneath it.
>
>Greg Phillips
>
>Irv Mullins wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, you wrote:
>> > I have installed Doslinux and have got it working. I got X working
too. I
>> > haven't done much with it though; it's pretty limited.
>> >
>> > But if you don't want to repartition your drive, it is a good way to get
>> > your feet wet.
>> >
>> Jason:
>>
>> Could you give us more detail about the limitations? It would help to know
>> these things before we get too interested in DOSLinux on CD.
>>
>> I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Irv
13. Doslinux
You can keep updated on the DosLinux/Euphoria/Contributed Files/Linux
Software/Whatever you want to call it project, on my website,
http://www.redrival.com/euphoria/doslinux.html
I've added a News section, which'll have updates, progress, etc.
Right now, I just have a small list of suggestions people have sent me,
nothing big.
Also, I've come to realize that this is going to be a rather large
project, and any help anyone can offer will be *greatly* appreciated.
I ask nothing big, just small things like suggestions for software to be
added, criticism, and maybe a bit of encouragement =)
Thank you all,
Greg Phillips
14. Re: Doslinux
-----Original Message-----
From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Doslinux
>Jason:
>
>Could you give us more detail about the limitations? It would help to know
>these things before we get too interested in DOSLinux on CD.
**********
Actually, the limitations I have found are the bane and the boon of using
DOSLinux: The small size and the need to ftp the parts that you need to
complete it. Also, I didn't realize that some of the scripts (for
downloading gcc and X) were broken without installing the patch file that I
downloaded. But I haven't checked it out for awhile. I actually like the
nsftp and pppsetup programs setup with it.
My main other experience is with Debian's dpackage management program which
I like. It seems to be a little more difficult to install packages. But I
was unable to get internet working with Debian when I was able to with
DOSLinux.
>
>I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
**********
Actually, you still have the full benefits of the Linux file system because
it is installed as a file, like a Drivespace drive is under DOS/Windows.
It's called the loopback device, and as far as the OS is concerned, it is
the ext2 filesystem.
>
>Regards,
>Irv
>
**********
I'm no expert; I was just sharing my thoughts with the group. Basically, it
requires a little more know-how to get DOSLinux running than it does the
mainstream distros. Right now it is taking up space on my drive while I'm
not using it and while I hem and haw about re-doing my Windows stuff again
in order to fit a different distro on.
15. Re: Doslinux
Jason, you may want to download it again. For a while there, the developer was
releasing new versions almost daily.
Thankfully, it's now at a stable version, and won't be updated for a little
while.
Greg Phillips
Jason Gade wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irv Mullins <irv at ELLIJAY.COM>
> To: EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU <EUPHORIA at LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 5:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Doslinux
>
> >Jason:
> >
> >Could you give us more detail about the limitations? It would help to know
> >these things before we get too interested in DOSLinux on CD.
>
> **********
> Actually, the limitations I have found are the bane and the boon of using
> DOSLinux: The small size and the need to ftp the parts that you need to
> complete it. Also, I didn't realize that some of the scripts (for
> downloading gcc and X) were broken without installing the patch file that I
> downloaded. But I haven't checked it out for awhile. I actually like the
> nsftp and pppsetup programs setup with it.
>
> My main other experience is with Debian's dpackage management program which
> I like. It seems to be a little more difficult to install packages. But I
> was unable to get internet working with Debian when I was able to with
> DOSLinux.
>
> >
> >I realize you lose the benefits of the LInux file system. What else?
>
> **********
> Actually, you still have the full benefits of the Linux file system because
> it is installed as a file, like a Drivespace drive is under DOS/Windows.
> It's called the loopback device, and as far as the OS is concerned, it is
> the ext2 filesystem.
>
> >
> >Regards,
> >Irv
> >
>
> **********
> I'm no expert; I was just sharing my thoughts with the group. Basically, it
> requires a little more know-how to get DOSLinux running than it does the
> mainstream distros. Right now it is taking up space on my drive while I'm
> not using it and while I hem and haw about re-doing my Windows stuff again
> in order to fit a different distro on.
16. Doslinux
As well as my current CD project, I've also put some thought into making
my own Doslinux-like distribution. I could build it with all the extras
(X, KDE/gnome/fvwm/whatever, gcc, so on and so forth), and not have to
work around certain problems that I'm encountering with Doslinux.
And plus, it'll be really cool to pick a name for my particular distro
=)
Greg Phillips
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