1. Modern windows screens
I've crawled through all of the available files in the archive
but I can't find anything that let me have the controls to compose
a "modern" windows interface: flat buttons and those great looking
white pulldown menus with shadow behind it and all kinds of graphic
stuff.
Is there any library available that makes those things possible in
Euphoria ?
Hans Peter Willems
2. Re: Modern windows screens
This only works on Windows XP (at least, I think those are the buttons and
menus of which you speak), you know, unless you create your own bitmaps and
use owner-draw, but that's a bit complex. Anyway, in order to do this, you
need a manifest file for your executable. If you are running the
interpreter, then one for Exw.exe will do. It should be named
Exw.exe.manifest. If you are using it for bound files, then it should be
whatever-the-file-is-named.exe.manifest. Something like this should work for
the file:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<assembly xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1" manifestVersion="1.0">
<assemblyIdentity
version="2.3.0.0"
processorArchitecture="X86"
name="RDS.Euphoria.exw"
type="win32" />
<description>Euphoria Interpreter Manifest File.</description>
<dependency>
<dependentAssembly>
<assemblyIdentity
type="win32"
name="Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls"
version="6.0.0.0"
processorArchitecture="X86"
publicKeyToken="6595b64144ccf1df"
language="*" />
</dependentAssembly>
</dependency>
</assembly>
This works quite well, except things in a group is totally messed up. The
buttons and radios have a black box around them. It doesn't even seem to go
away when you move a window on top of it. I'm not sure whether the problem
is in win32lib or not. You can try searching the mailing list for manifest,
but I haven't found a fix to the group problem.
>From: Peter Willems <peter at integratedmoves.com>
>Reply-To: EUforum at topica.com
>To: EUforum <EUforum at topica.com>
>Subject: Modern windows screens
>Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:48:30 +0000
>
>
>I've crawled through all of the available files in the archive
>but I can't find anything that let me have the controls to compose
>a "modern" windows interface: flat buttons and those great looking
>white pulldown menus with shadow behind it and all kinds of graphic
>stuff.
>
>Is there any library available that makes those things possible in
>Euphoria ?
>
>Hans Peter Willems
>
>
>
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3. Re: Modern windows screens
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Peter Willems" <peter at integratedmoves.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Modern windows screens
>=20
>=20
> I've crawled through all of the available files in the archive
> but I can't find anything that let me have the controls to compose
> a "modern" windows interface: flat buttons and those great looking
> white pulldown menus with shadow behind it and all kinds of graphic
> stuff.
>=20
> Is there any library available that makes those things possible in
> Euphoria ?
I was just playing about last week with a flat-button implmentation for =
win32lib. Its written totally in Eu/win32lib code. I host the buttons on =
an 'elastic' toolbar such that when the window resizes, so do the =
buttons. Also, you can have them change color when the mouse moves over =
them - gives them a 'glowing' effect. Latchable buttons are supported =
too - one click to press them down and another to release them again. =
But I refused to have buttons that look like labels until the mouse gets =
to them - its a visual paradigm mistake, IMHO.
As for white menus, I now know how I can do them too. Might experiment =
next week but you won't see these until 0.59.3 at the earliest.
I don't have XP so I'm not aware of what "modern" windows controls look =
like.
--=20
Derek
4. Re: Modern windows screens
You can find a toolkit that supports the 'modern' look and feel here:
http://www.beyondata.com/Download.htm
It works fine under Win95, since it uses emulates many of the controls. It's
quite nice.
It's free software, so I don't think there would be any issue in including it
with Win32Lib. Unfortunately, you'd have to build the library as a DLL or
have it compiled into Euphoria to have it work - the latter option being
unlikely.
-- David Cuny
5. Re: Modern windows screens
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 21, 2003
On 21 Jul 2003, at 19:45, David Cuny wrote:
>
>
> You can find a toolkit that supports the 'modern' look and feel here:
>
> http://www.beyondata.com/Download.htm
>
> It works fine under Win95, since it uses emulates many of the controls. It's
> quite nice.
>
> It's free software, so I don't think there would be any issue in including it
> with Win32Lib. Unfortunately, you'd have to build the library as a DLL or have
> it compiled into Euphoria to have it work - the latter option being unlikely.
/me looks at Karl.......
Kat
6. Re: Modern windows screens
Al Getz wrote:
> Ah ha! So that's what they are calling the 'modern look' 
Don't confuse the look and feel of the windows (WinXP) with the controls. The
WinXP look is widely derided, but it's trivial to return back to the Win2K
look, which is much better.
But the actual *controls* are quite nice. I had written emulations of a number
of them, and some are quite nice.
-- David Cuny
7. Re: Modern windows screens
Al,
My opinion:
Also looked at the screenshot, & I *like* the big red "X", as I can't count
the times I've accidentally closed a window when I just meant to max or min
it; in fact, I *hate* the change from Win3 to Win9x that moved the close
button from the *left* side of the window by itself, over to the right side
next to max/min.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: RE: Modern windows screens
>
>
> David Cuny wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can find a toolkit that supports the 'modern' look and feel here:
> >
> > http://www.beyondata.com/Download.htm
> >
> > It works fine under Win95, since it uses emulates many of the controls.
> > It's
> > quite nice.
> >
> > It's free software, so I don't think there would be any issue in
> > including it
> > with Win32Lib. Unfortunately, you'd have to build the library as a DLL
> > or
> > have it compiled into Euphoria to have it work - the latter option being
> >
> > unlikely.
> >
> > -- David Cuny
> >
>
> Ah ha! So that's what they are calling the 'modern look'
> I took a look at the screenshot.
>
> Well, i call it the "kid's desktop look" hee hee.
>
> I just dont like that big red X close button.
>
> I do like the offwhite color scheme though...
> Kinda like the squarish tabs on the tab controls too. Easier to draw.
>
> Still like the 'classic' style better though.
>
> Any other opinions?
>
> Take care for now,
> Al
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8. Re: Modern windows screens
Al Getz wrote:
> Peter, if you know of any more screen shots please let me know,
> i'd like to check them out.
You could download the demos on the site. As I mentioned before, they run just
fine in Win9x.
-- David Cuny
9. Re: Modern windows screens
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> Dan Moyer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Al,
> > My opinion:
> > Also looked at the screenshot, & I *like* the big red "X", as I can't
> > count
> > the times I've accidentally closed a window when I just meant to max or
> > min
> > it; in fact, I *hate* the change from Win3 to Win9x that moved the close
> > button from the *left* side of the window by itself, over to the right
> > side
> > next to max/min.
> >
> > Dan Moyer
> >
>
> Ok
>
> I realize it's not the color i dont like, it's the design of it.
> The x, along with the min and max buttons, look like kid's
> blocks. I think Kat was saying something like this too...
> Just before those three buttons we might see A, B and C.
>
> Also, color has scope just like program variables. If you have
> a red background x somewhere on the window and it's to have
> very special significance, then you shouldnt have it anywhere
> else.
>
> If you have problems closing out windows (or avoiding that)
> you can make the closeout button bigger by changing system settings
> cant you?
Have done that, but in haste still occasionally hit the wrong one; made more
sense to me to separate the functions of bigger/smaller and quit.
Dan Moyer
>
> Take care,
> Al
>
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10. Re: Modern windows screens
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 24, 2003
On 23 Jul 2003, at 20:56, Dan Moyer wrote:
<snip>
> > If you have problems closing out windows (or avoiding that)
> > you can make the closeout button bigger by changing system settings
> > cant you?
>
> Have done that, but in haste still occasionally hit the wrong one; made more
> sense to me to separate the functions of bigger/smaller and quit. Dan Moyer
Don't use the buttons at all? Use the menu?
Kat
11. Re: Modern windows screens
Kat,
Not a bad suggestion, *if* the menu had max/min in it, which it doesn't.
But your suggestion did make me notice that if you right click on title bar
of any window that can be min/max'ed, a popup appears which does have
min/max and close, in WORDS, which might actually make it easier to make
sure to avoid the close. thanks.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Modern windows screens
>
>
> On 23 Jul 2003, at 20:56, Dan Moyer wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > If you have problems closing out windows (or avoiding that)
> > > you can make the closeout button bigger by changing system settings
> > > cant you?
> >
> > Have done that, but in haste still occasionally hit the wrong one; made
more
> > sense to me to separate the functions of bigger/smaller and quit. Dan
Moyer
>
> Don't use the buttons at all? Use the menu?
>
> Kat
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12. Re: Modern windows screens
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:57:11 -0700, Dan Moyer
<DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net> wrote:
<snip> .. easier to make sure to avoid the close. thanks.
I use alt-space x and alt-F4 alot, and alt-space r/n occasionally.
Pete
13. Re: Modern windows screens
Al,
<snip>
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
>
> Dan, that IS the menu she was talking about.
> It's called the 'system menu'.
> You never noticed that before?
>
Oh, well I've *noticed* it, but when she said "menu" (without the "system"),
I just naturally thought "menu", as on the "menu" bar. My oops :)
> Take care,
> Al
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14. Re: Modern windows screens
From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
>
>
> Oh yes, you can also double click the icon at the top of
> the window on the left side to close out...
>
> Take care,
> Al
>
Now THAT I *had* never noticed!!! I'm using that from now on! Thanks :)
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15. Re: Modern windows screens
And double-clicking on the caption will minimize/maximize it...
>From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
>
>From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> >
> >
> > Oh yes, you can also double click the icon at the top of
> > the window on the left side to close out...
> >
> > Take care,
> > Al
> >
>
>Now THAT I *had* never noticed!!! I'm using that from now on! Thanks :)
>
>Dan Moyer
16. Re: Modern windows screens
Actually, at least on Win98, it just toggles between max/restore, doesn't
minimize.
Dan Moyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliott Sales de Andrade" <quantum_analyst at hotmail.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: Re: Modern windows screens
>
>
> And double-clicking on the caption will minimize/maximize it...
>
> >From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> >
> >From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh yes, you can also double click the icon at the top of
> > > the window on the left side to close out...
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > > Al
> > >
> >
> >Now THAT I *had* never noticed!!! I'm using that from now on! Thanks
:)
> >
> >Dan Moyer
>
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17. Re: Modern windows screens
Oops, that's what I meant...
>From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
>Subject: Re: Modern windows screens
>
>
>Actually, at least on Win98, it just toggles between max/restore, doesn't
>minimize.
>
>Dan Moyer
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Elliott Sales de Andrade" <quantum_analyst at hotmail.com>
>To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:16 PM
>Subject: Re: Modern windows screens
>
>
> > And double-clicking on the caption will minimize/maximize it...
> >
> > >From: Dan Moyer <DANIELMOYER at prodigy.net>
> > >
> > >From: "Al Getz" <Xaxo at aol.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh yes, you can also double click the icon at the top of
> > > > the window on the left side to close out...
> > > >
> > > > Take care,
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > >
> > >Now THAT I *had* never noticed!!! I'm using that from now on! Thanks
>:)
> > >
> > >Dan Moyer
> >
