1. Win32lib docs (was Re: Error when tryijng to use Upper())
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From: <ronaustin at alltel.net>
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>Subject: Re: Error when tryijng to use Upper()
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>For people who are familiar with API programing and know where to look, the
>lack of documentation
>is probably not a big problem, but for people like me who have come from a
>non GUI language to
>Euphoria it's kind of tough.
I sympathize with you because I've been there too. Before taking on the Win32lib
role, I'd never used Windows API in my life. The closest was Visual Basic but
that is a different paradigm altogether. I have had to glean "how to program with
windows API" from many sources, including the good people on this forum. I still
regard myself as an apprentice in this field.
> I'm not complaining, mind you, Euphoria is great.
I'd just like to reinforce the idea that Win32lib is NOT an official Rapid
Deployment Software package. It is a form of freeware/open-source thing with many
contributors. So Win32lib is NOT 'Euphoria'.
> When I want to add
>some new code to my program I first check for any examples, then I check any
>documentation I can find,
> then check my code again, then I check for examples again and after 3 or 4
>rounds if I still don't have
>the answer I post a question here.
Same here.
> I'll go download or buy some documentation for the MS API.
May I recommend "Programming Windows" by Charles Pretzold. The latest edition is
massive and cost around $US70+. You get great value for that money though.
--
Derek
2. Re: Win32lib docs (was Re: Error when tryijng to use Upper())
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Oct 18, 2003
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I sympathize with you because I've been there too. Before taking on the
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this forum. I still regard myself as an apprentice in this field.=0D
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I'd just like to reinforce the idea that Win32lib is NOT an official Rapi=
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May I recommend "Programming Windows" by Charles Pretzold. The latest
edition is massive and cost around $US70+. You get great value for that
money though.=0D
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That's interesting that you say Win32Lib is not Euphoria. Without it you
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an app and changed the library, then downloaded programer B's program wit=
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his own special flavor of Win32lib, good bye programmer A's Win32lib. I
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<DIV>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Euphoria Mailing List =3D=3D=
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; <BR>>For people who are familiar with API programing and know where =
to look, the<BR>>lack of documentation <BR>>is probably not a big p=
roblem, but for people like me who have come from a<BR>>non GUI langua=
ge to <BR>>Euphoria it's kind of tough.<BR><BR>I sympathize with you b=
ecause I've been there too. Before taking on the Win32lib role, I'd never=
used Windows API in my life. The closest was Visual Basic but that is a =
different paradigm altogether. I have had to glean "how to program with w=
indows API" from many sources, including the good people on this forum. I=
still regard myself as an apprentice in this field.<BR><BR>> I'm not =
complaining, mind you, Euphoria is great.<BR><BR>I'd just like to reinfor=
ce the idea that Win32lib is NOT an official Rapid Deployment Software pa=
ckage. It is a form of freeware/open-source thing with many contributors.=
So Win32lib is NOT 'Euphoria'. <BR><BR>> When I want to add <BR>>s=
ome new code to my program I first check for any examples, then I check a=
ny<BR>>documentation I can find,<BR>> then check my code again, the=
n I check for examples again and after 3 or 4<BR>>rounds if I still do=
n't have<BR>>the answer I post a question here.<BR><BR>Same here.<BR><=
BR>> I'll go download or buy some documentation for the MS API.<BR><BR=
>May I recommend "Programming Windows" by Charles Pretzold. The latest ed=
ition is massive and cost around $US70+. You get great value for that mon=
ey though.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That's interesting that you say Win32Lib is not Euphoria. With=
out it you wouldn't have any fancy window control boxes, lists, ect, woul=
d you?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I notice that some of the sample apps have a copy of the library wit=
h them. Seems like that would be a bit dangerous wouldn't it? =
If programer A wrote an app and changed the library, then downloaded pro=
gramer B's program with his own special flavor of Win32lib, good bye prog=
rammer A's Win32lib. I haven't been on here long to know these thin=
gs, but is there an "official" copy of winlib32 somewhere that contains a=
ll the latest changes? <BR><BR>-- <BR>Derek<BR><BR>--^-------------=
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3. Re: Win32lib docs (was Re: Error when tryijng to use Upper())
----- Original Message -----
>From: ronaustin at alltel.net
>Subject: Re: Win32lib docs (was Re: Error when tryijng to use Upper())
>
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>That's interesting that you say Win32Lib is not Euphoria. Without
> it you wouldn't have any fancy window control boxes, lists,
>ect, would you?
That's not quite entirely true. Win32lib is is just one of many Windows
libraries that people have built using Euphoria. You might like to look at the
other offerrings in the RDS archive. Some people have written applications that
do not use any of these windows libraries, instead they have called the API
routines directly.
>I notice that some of the sample apps have a copy of the
>library with them. Seems like that would be a bit dangerous
> wouldn't it? If programer A wrote an app and changed the library,
> then downloaded programer B's program with his own special flavor
>of Win32lib, good bye programmer A's Win32lib. I haven't been on
>here long to know these things, but is there an "official" copy of
>winlib32 somewhere that contains all the latest changes?
You are correct about this 'danger', but one of the reasons win32lib is
available in the form it is is so that people can derive specialized versions of
it if they want to.
The current home for the version of the library that I maintain is ...
http://www.users.bigpond.com/ddparnell/euphoria/w32005901.zip
--
Derek
