1. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

Robert Craig wrote:
>  
> Yes, 10 years have gone by since Euphoria 1.0 was released,
> and I'm still working on this thing.
> 
> I released 1.0 by uploading it to a
> local Toronto BBS (Bulletin Board System - remember those?),
> using my 2400 Baud modem. In those days very few people
> had even heard of the Internet. There was no Web to speak of.
> To distribute Euphoria better, I bought a 14,400 baud modem,
> and started uploading to a bunch of other BBS's
> around North America. Eventually I put it on Compuserve,
> GEnie and the fledgling America Online.
> 
> 10 years isn't old by programming language standards.
> C is about 30, Fortran almost 50. Hardware sure
> advances a lot faster than software.

Hi Rob,

Congratulations on the milestone.  It's an amazing feat especially
as you retrospect at the state of Internet 10 years ago.
It's a real credit to you that you have developed and supported
a language such as Euphoria over such a period of time.
Well done.

Regards,

Ray Smith
http://rays-web.com

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2. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

On 8 Jul 2003, at 11:45, Ray Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> Robert Craig wrote:
> >  
> > Yes, 10 years have gone by since Euphoria 1.0 was released,
> > and I'm still working on this thing.
> > 
> > I released 1.0 by uploading it to a
> > local Toronto BBS (Bulletin Board System - remember those?),
> > using my 2400 Baud modem. In those days very few people
> > had even heard of the Internet. There was no Web to speak of.
> > To distribute Euphoria better, I bought a 14,400 baud modem,
> > and started uploading to a bunch of other BBS's
> > around North America. Eventually I put it on Compuserve,
> > GEnie and the fledgling America Online.
> > 
> > 10 years isn't old by programming language standards.
> > C is about 30, Fortran almost 50. Hardware sure
> > advances a lot faster than software.
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> Congratulations on the milestone.  It's an amazing feat especially
> as you retrospect at the state of Internet 10 years ago.
> It's a real credit to you that you have developed and supported
> a language such as Euphoria over such a period of time.
> Well done.

I agree. I myself, after hand editing a 100,000 word dictionary, beginning in 
1992, with classes, descendants and predecessors, grammar, semantic 
info, for machine use, am calling it quits. It's been translated (not well) into
24 languages, occupying nearly 2 gigs. There are dailey news archives going 
back 2 years, averaging 250 articles per day, for examples of language use, 
a bit over 2 gigs. There's 5 years of irc logs in assorted channels. There is a 
hand munged database of assorted datum, about 3 gigabytes of it. But 
unlike Euphoria, i'm alone. And i can't make use of it on the internet without 
the reverse proxy. Next reboot, i'm pulling those harddrives and putting them 
on the shelf. It's clear anything i do is not worth any one else's time.

Kat

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3. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

gertie at visionsix.com claim:

> I agree. I myself, after hand editing a 100,000 word dictionary,
> beginning in 1992, with classes, descendants and predecessors,
> grammar, semantic info, for machine use, am calling it quits.

Yeah, right, kat!!! good one, though. ;)

[snip snip]

Good luck out there.

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4. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

On 8 Jul 2003, at 21:38, C. K. Lester wrote:

> 
> 
> gertie at visionsix.com claim:
> 
> > I agree. I myself, after hand editing a 100,000 word dictionary,
> > beginning in 1992, with classes, descendants and predecessors,
> > grammar, semantic info, for machine use, am calling it quits.
> 
> Yeah, right, kat!!! good one, though. ;)

Yep, i am just a joke, to dismiss, make fun of, ignore. 

Kat

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5. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

--- gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, right, kat!!! good one, though. ;)
> 
> Yep, i am just a joke, to dismiss, make fun of,
> ignore. 

C'mon, gertie! I didn't ignore you.


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6. RE: Euphoria 2.4 Official Release

> That was due to tripwire, which messed up all of Apache, not just the 
> proxy.
> (It also messed up quite a few other things, such as ssh.)

Which was apparently my fault.  Testing of the proxy tripped the wire.
I think it was not closing because of warnings or maybe some other error 
*shrug*


As you(jbrown) pointed out, I was told that it was not wanted anymore.  
Surely you can't count that as the project being stalled.  I don't 
recall when I was told that, but it must have been at least 2 months 
ago.  Probably longer than that.  Now once again kat is saying it is not 
wanted/needed anymore (she said she is leaving (the computer world??)).  
I didn't work on the proxy too much because when I had linux, it was 
just too slow to work with (133Mhz puter with 96MB RAM).  It ran ok, but 
not with the GUI.  I just can't opperate without a GUI.  Now I have a 
computer that can handle it just fine.  I have installed Mandrake 8.1 
and am working on getting the GUI to work.  I beleive I need to upgrade 
xfree because thats what I had to do to get it working before.  My linux 
skills..  well, lets not call them skills.  I am a newbie to linux.  I 
would like to work a little more with linux though.  I still need to 
figure out how to get my modem to work in linux.  its a winmodem :/

With the proxy thing, I don't know whats going on.
J Brown made it originally, and I fixed some bugs that was keeping it 
from working and I added some stuff to it.  It isn't(well, wasn't) very 
easy to work on because after every change I had to upload it to the 
server to test it(24K modem).  It was working when I left it though.  As 
I recall, we couldn't get it working for kat becuase we needed access to 
her account which she was willing to give us except for one problem, she 
forgot the password.  I guess she did come up with the password, but as 
I recall, that was after tripwire was set off and we were unable to get 
access to the server.
I had it taking a request and then making a request on a web server 
running on my computer (passing the arguments it received on to my 
server along with the person's IP address and browser).  I even showed 
it to jbrown(i think) and kat and probably some others.  Which at the 
time was how I beleived she wanted it to work.


BTW, jbrown!!  Where are you!!  I finally am back online and now you are 
gone from the chat room sad


Regards, 
   Robert Szalay

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