1. Re: expressing religious beleifs
>>I originally wrote:
>>> The fact that the previous author feels strongly enough about his
>>> religious persuasion to put it in his mail sig I think speaks well
of
>him.
>>> If it devolves into a diatribe that's just Bible verses and no code,
then
>you
>>> have a legitimate complaint for it being off-topic. But I don't
think "In
>>> Christ" is anything to complain about. Would you complain if he
wrote "In
>>> Allah"?
>I would, I wasn't really offended. Merely dissapointed that some1 wants
to
>be judged on a choice in life, no1 can know if there is a god, no
matter how
>much they make themselves believe it. Still you admit judging the
person
>more positively, and that indeed annoyed me. But I can hardly be
offended by
>it. I think this is more a cultural difference, here in Holland, people
>would never do something like that. It would mean, the person itself is
>judging people by their beliefs, and that would be a generalization.
>
>>> Don't take this as a personal attack, but a lot of people think
>expressing a
>>> particular religious viewpoint implies condemnation and a
>holier-than-thou
>>> attitude to those who don't share it. And, true, given a certain
highly
>> visible
>>> religious extremist minority, this viewpoint is at least partially
>justified.
>>
>>When posts start devolving into religious rhetoric (of any kind!),
then
>there's
>>a legitimate complaint for off-topicality, and I'll be the first to
say so.
>>Given the people on this list, I don't think that's going to happen.
>
> Nope, it was offtopic and yes it was offending.. I don't want to be
>judged on that at all. Not positively, and not negatively and when
some1
>expects to be jugded on that, I do feel insulted.. I would not be that
dumb
>to judge some1 on their beliefs.
>
>>If there are many Christians who are using Euphoria, then that's just
the
>>demographic that's there. There's no personal attacks or anything like
>that,
>>and I don't think it's having a negative impact on anyone. I still
applaud
>>people who get up there and say what core beliefs are important to
them,
>since
>>religion is central to everything (no matter what you believe in). If
you
>can
>>see God in Euphoria, great. 
>Some1 beliefs are a personal thing, standing up and expressing those
beliefs
>is "dominant" behaviour. And certainly isn't worth any respect.
>Furhtermore, religion is not central to every1, for me it is a cultural
and
>historical thing, and nothing more. But then again, maybe that too can
be
>considered a religion.. however it doesn't play any role in
programming.
>Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
>nieuwen at xs4all.nl
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After contemplating the whole discussion. I have only one thing to
say:
I encourage all parties to pursue this subject NO further. I
think that arguing about something that brings up strong and opposing
feelings is something to be avoided at all costs. I encourage everyone
to do his/her part to resolve this conflict in a pleasant way: e.g.
dropping the subject altogether.
thank you,
Lewis Townsend
P.S. Don't get me wrong, this argument bothers me no more that the
heated discussions about structures and OOP but these actually have
potential to serve the Euphorian community whereas the the argument for
or against expressing religious beliefs does not.
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