1. 300 Statements and an apologie
300 Statements
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First of all, asking some1 who has to live of the profit he makes, to give
his program away for free, is pretty mean.
If you can't live with the 300 statements count, then either register or
don't use Euphoria, instead of complaining about money. If you don't have
it, or are not allowed to buy online or something, then just don't. But you
can't go asking to raise the 300 statements limit, because we should feel so
sorry for you.
It's okay, not to be registered, but I think it is rude to ask for statement
count raise.
I can't image that being a problem, if it was, then you're just not
programming right. Your program has to get pretty complex before you reach
the 300 statements limit.
Apology
~~~~~~~~~~
Some1 was wondering what my religion was. Why ? You should have heard that I
do *not* wish to be judged on something like that. And some1 expression
their beliefs, is insulting and negative behaviour. " He doesn't wear Nike
Air Max, so he's not cool " (or whatever brands are so "cool" in your
country).
And then you could say: "But I didn't say that to get more respect", however
I wonder if you yourself believe that. Adding religious expressions at the
end of a message was getting a popular thing, and you are not gonna tell me
it was coincedence one started and the rest followed. (like little puppies),
cuz they wanne be into the club or something. And maybe, maybe I'm way out
of line, making this kind of conclusions about the motivations, but you have
to have an hell of a story to explain why you all suddenly want to express
your beliefs, other than trying to be part of a club.
However this turned into somehting I really didn't want to happen. So to all
those who feel insulted by this and need to respond, respond to me
personally, okay ?
And to those who didn't care about any of the discussion and were annoyed by
both the religious and mine messages, my sincere apology. I did ruin it for
ya. Sorry 'bout that.
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
2. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
> First of all, asking some1 who has to live of the profit he makes, to give
> his program away for free, is pretty mean.
> If you can't live with the 300 statements count, then either register or
> don't use Euphoria, instead of complaining about money. If you don't have
> it, or are not allowed to buy online or something, then just don't. But you
> can't go asking to raise the 300 statements limit, because we should feel so
> sorry for you.
I agree with this. I think 300 statements is more than enough space to
determine if you really want the program or not (I did, so I registered --
now to find the killer app that I can't do in anything but Euphoria to
get me to be really fluent in it).
People forget that shareware != freeware. It's "try before you buy", not
"try and buy maybe if I want to".
> And then you could say: "But I didn't say that to get more respect", however
> I wonder if you yourself believe that. Adding religious expressions at the
> end of a message was getting a popular thing, and you are not gonna tell me
> it was coincedence one started and the rest followed. (like little puppies),
Well, I've already voiced my disagreement with this viewpoint, but I'm willing
to leave it at that.
Killer app thing: has someone found something that really is Euphoria's
strong suit? I relish Perl because nothing beats it for string and text
handling, and I learned Pascal because I found it easy to read (and plus at
the time C was a twinkle in most compiler's eyes). What does Euphoria do
that no other language can?
Since I've registered already, this is a bit after the fact -- but let's
get some opinions. What can you carry the banner of Euphoria for?
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3. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
At 01:51 PM 4/27/98 -0400, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>
>Killer app thing: has someone found something that really is >Euphoria's
strong suit? What does Euphoria do
>that no other language can?
>
>Since I've registered already, this is a bit after the fact -- but let's
>get some opinions. What can you carry the banner of Euphoria >for?
Hmmm... that would make a good contest! Better, maybe,
than seeing who can write the shortest code.
Strictly speaking, most any language can be forced to
do almost any thing except paint my house. On the other
hand, anyone who has tried to, for example, write a
hi-rez graphic program in Pascal will know it is close
to impossible. But it's easy with Euphoria.
Well, ok, it's easy for some people.
Irv
4. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
>First of all, asking some1 who has to live of the profit he makes, to give
>his program away for free, is pretty mean.
>If you can't live with the 300 statements count, then either register or
>don't use Euphoria, instead of complaining about money. If you don't have
>it, or are not allowed to buy online or something, then just don't. But you
>can't go asking to raise the 300 statements limit, because we should feel
so
>sorry for you.
Ralf, why you always sound so rude? My grandfather says:
"If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything".
I think everyone was the right to ask for what he wants. It's up to Rob to
listen him (not you).
>
>Apology
>~~~~~~~~~~
I won't quote your text here. My grandfather's wisdom applies here also to
all the religious thread.
Now, let's (all of us) finish talking about what we think and what we think
about each other and let's talk about data compresion, portable GUI,
namespaces, etc...
BTW I'm not christian, I'm jew, and don't feel member of any "club"... and I
use CAT shoes.
Regards (to all, even to you Ralf),
Daniel Berstein.
5. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
>Ralf, why you always sound so rude? My grandfather says:
>"If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything".
Well, I suppose my English sounds quite direct, but in Dutch I would
sound a lot more ironic and I suppose a bit more friendly. Unfortunately
often, people say I sound tense, angry or rude, and this will prolly be the
case. I'm don't fill my sentences with words like should, could, may have,
possibly. And any other word that *may* (hey, I use it) complex my sentences
upto I point where I can not be 100% sure of what I am saying.
>I think everyone was the right to ask for what he wants. It's up to Rob to
>listen him (not you).
It's wasn't ment as a flame, I'm sorry, but I did find the question a
bit insulting towards RDS, but it is indeed maybe not my duty to respond to
that, and leave it to RDS.
>>Apology
>>~~~~~~~~~~
>
>I won't quote your text here. My grandfather's wisdom applies here also to
>all the religious thread.
>Now, let's (all of us) finish talking about what we think and what we think
>about each other and let's talk about data compresion, portable GUI,
>namespaces, etc...
That's why I apologized, it had to see this coming when I said that..
althrough at first it seems it was going ok, no one felt insulted, etc.
And to the Pastor, I really didn't mean to offend people like you with my
response. I just get this very disturbing feeling when putting a christian
comment at the end of a message becomes a hype. I didn't mean to insult any
one with it, I too sometimes get carried away in a hype.
And to give this some euphoristic contents:
I'm in for enumeration: (would solve the namespacing problem for most
constants!)
--=Code=--
enum color as YELLOW, BLACK & DARK, RED
color = YELLOW -- color = 1
color = DARK -- color = 2
? BLACK -- writes '2' to the screen
if color < DARK then
puts (1,"Color is either yellow or black")
color = BLACK
end if
if color = 2 then color = color + 1 end if
? color -- writes '3' to the screen
--= End of Code=--
Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen
nieuwen at xs4all.nl
PS About the moral guide lines in EDOM2, please don't respond on the list
server, or better yet forget about them, just had a major discussion with a
friend and I just put all my thoughts there.. what can I say I'm an addict
for discussion, but please, by private mail.
6. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
At 08:41 AM 4/28/98 +0200, you wrote:
>>Ralf, why you always sound so rude? My grandfather says:
>>"If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything".
Ralf, I volunteer 2 comments:
1. I compliment you on the remarkable improvement in your use of the
English language during the past year.
2. The same for the great improvement in your friendliness and lack
of offensiveness as they get through to us via the English language.
The grandfather would be proud of you. (My grandmother said the same
thing the grandfather said. Maybe they were right.)
Regards, Art
Arthur P. Adamson, The Engine Man, euclid at isoc.net
7. Re: 300 Statements and an apologie
>What does Euphoria do
>that no other language can?
>
>Since I've registered already, this is a bit after the fact -- but
let's
>get some opinions. What can you carry the banner of Euphoria for?
I thought it was ease of learning and using and the fact that it is a
really fast interpreted language.
Lewis Townsend
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