1. proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 06, 2003
Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this thing?
Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with your
good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
Kat
2. Re: proxy
Kat,
Well, while I could be wrong, I doubt that anyone is deliberately
withholding their expertise from you, and I *know* I haven't the foggiest
idea how to make any kind of internet "proxy", which is why I haven't tried
to help. I wish I could. Perhaps many others here also don't know how to
help out with this "proxy", either.
<<<Dan Moyer>>>
----- Original Message -----
From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: proxy
>
>
> Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
> programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
> NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this
thing?
> Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with
your
> good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
>
> Kat
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
3. Re: proxy
----- Original Message -----
From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: proxy
>
>
> Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
> programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
> NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this
thing?
> Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with
your
> good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
>
I was at Borders bookstore today and found a book on Web Proxies. It was a
technical book on how they work and had lots of example code. There was a
chapter on Reverse Proxy. What strikes me is that there is a lot to consider
and its not generally the stuff taught at schools. I'm not surprised that
few people are interested in working to write a reverse proxy. It looks
difficult because there are so many "little" things to think about to make
it secure and bullet-proof.
On the other hand, if someone is looking for a rewarding challange...
--
Derek
4. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 07, 2003
On 7 Jul 2003, at 18:18, Derek Parnell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: proxy
>
>
> > Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
> > programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
> > NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this
> thing?
> > Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with
> your
> > good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
> >
>
> I was at Borders bookstore today and found a book on Web Proxies. It was a
> technical book on how they work and had lots of example code. There was a
> chapter on Reverse Proxy. What strikes me is that there is a lot to consider
> and
> its not generally the stuff taught at schools. I'm not surprised that few
> people
> are interested in working to write a reverse proxy. It looks difficult because
> there are so many "little" things to think about to make it secure and
> bullet-proof.
I offered to code some of those "little things", if it was written in Eu.
Kat
> On the other hand, if someone is looking for a rewarding challange...
>
> --
> Derek
>
>
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5. Re: proxy
- Posted by jjnick at cvn.com
Jul 08, 2003
I can't even begin to explain my adulation regarding proxies! I love them.
I have one on all the machines I use to get rid of pop up ads, spoof
headers, and use anonymous proxies all over the world. I have set up
proxies on other businesses machines to act as a dial-up server. The ISP I
work for used one a while back as a mediary server to cache pages. I could
go on and on. I don't think anybody does not want to help, but when people
hear "program an http-proxy", they immediately get turned off, just human
behaviour, not a conscious endeavor to ignore you. I think some don't
really know the benefits and scope proxies bring to the table. I know I
researched it a year ago and was put off by the complexities. Also, I think
somebody would have to know TCP/IP pretty well. Of course, things may have
changed in the past year.
----- Original Message -----
From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: proxy
>
>
> Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
> programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
> NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this
thing?
> Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with
your
> good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
>
> Kat
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
>
>
6. Re: proxy
----- Original Message -----=20
From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
Subject: proxy
>=20
>=20
> Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu=20
> programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people =
to=20
> NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this =
thing?=20
> Or are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing =
with your=20
> good fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
Kat,
can I recommend that you WRITE down all your requirements, with **as =
much detail as possible**, for the application you need. By =
requirements, I stress that this is not the same as a description of how =
its going to achieve its 'magic', instead its a description of what the =
application needs to be able to do or deliver. You may need to spell =
out, in detail, any limitations that would apply too - such as it must =
run in a Linux (Debian-preferred) environment, etc...
Publish the Requirements Specification for scrutiny and comment, then =
update it in light of the feedback you get. Publish the updated version =
and then see if anyone here is capable of creating the application.
My feeling is that this will be a lot of work to develop correctly, so =
it may be difficult for people to donate much time. For example, $US500 =
would normally buy about 5 hours of my time at commercial rates and I =
suspect that the application you describe would eat up at least 200 =
hours.
--=20
Derek
7. Re: proxy
It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require duplicating
the same code used in an apache server. That would be very expensive and
time consumming when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server
with the $500 and set it up as a reverse proxy.
Bernie
8. Re: proxy
I sincerely request that as much of this conversation as possible
remains in the forum. I hope many others agree.
I feel we all can learn from this battlement. <-- is that a word?
As many problems as I have with kat. I still like her drive.
I still would love to see the proxy completed.
If others don't beat me to it. I will be posting information about
CGI and HTML for jbrown into this forum. Assuming there aren't
many objections.
humbly,
Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
9. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 09, 2003
On 9 Jul 2003, at 18:18, Derek Parnell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gertie at visionsix.com>
> To: "EUforum" <EUforum at topica.com>
> Subject: proxy
>
>
> > Jeeze, it's happened again. I mention the http proxy to an EX-Eu
> > programmer, and he stops talking to me. Is someone paying you people to
> > NOT help me with this?? What can i offer to convince you i want this thing?
> > Or
> > are you convinced i want it, and are just sitting back laughing with your
> > good
> > fortune to be in a position to deny me something?
>
> Kat,
> can I recommend that you WRITE down all your requirements, with **as much
> detail
> as possible**, for the application you need. By requirements, I stress that
> this
> is not the same as a description of how its going to achieve its 'magic',
> instead its a description of what the application needs to be able to do or
> deliver. You may need to spell out, in detail, any limitations that would
> apply
> too - such as it must run in a Linux (Debian-preferred) environment, etc...
The OS didn't matter to me, other than it be running on a shell hosting
company that doesn't reboot every day, meaning it would be a nix box of
some flavor to be stable.
> Publish the Requirements Specification for scrutiny and comment, then update
> it
> in light of the feedback you get. Publish the updated version and then see if
> anyone here is capable of creating the application.
I did. This has been a thread here for a yr now.
> My feeling is that this will be a lot of work to develop correctly, so it may
> be
> difficult for people to donate much time. For example, $US500 would normally
> buy
> about 5 hours of my time at commercial rates and I suspect that the
> application
> you describe would eat up at least 200 hours.
That's amazing, considering i set up a tcp dcc proxy in mirc in 5 MINUTES,
and set up http proxying (with of options) in mirc in AN HOUR. On win95.
I expect i'll be rebooting this weekend, and removing those two harddrives i'd
have been using in a web venture, so don't start on a 200 hour coding spree.
People have had the time already to earn the $100/$500, they didn't care to.
Once the drives are out, i'll be out of here too.
Kat
10. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 09, 2003
On 9 Jul 2003, at 10:18, Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require duplicating
> the same code used in an apache server. That would be very expensive and time
> consumming
It isn't in mirc on a win95 box. <shrug> jbrown keeps saying he has Eu code
working as a proxy, read what he said yesterday.
> when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server with the $500
> and set it up as a reverse proxy.
Yeas, i know. Same as squid. But no one i know who knows nix will help
me. And no one i contacted will allow squid to run in their shells, if i found
someone to set it up. If it comes to being friends or otherwise working *with*
anyone, i am always at the bottom of the pile.
Kat
11. Re: proxy
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:52:18AM -0400, Lucius Hilley wrote:
>
>
> I sincerely request that as much of this conversation as possible
> remains in the forum. I hope many others agree.
I guess I agree.
> I feel we all can learn from this battlement. <-- is that a word?
>
> As many problems as I have with kat. I still like her drive.
> I still would love to see the proxy completed.
>
> If others don't beat me to it. I will be posting information about
> CGI and HTML for jbrown into this forum. Assuming there aren't
> many objections.
I certainly don't. That information will be most appreciated.
>
> humbly,
> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
>
jbrown
>
>
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12. Re: proxy
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:18:15AM -0400, Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require duplicating
> the same code used in an apache server. That would be very expensive and
> time consumming when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server
> with the $500 and set it up as a reverse proxy.
>
> Bernie
>
>
The proxy that I wrote for kat is actually a CGI program that runs inside of
Apache.
jbrown
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13. Re: proxy
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:45:00PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
<snip>
> > My feeling is that this will be a lot of work to develop correctly, so it
> > may be
> > difficult for people to donate much time. For example, $US500 would normally
> > buy
> > about 5 hours of my time at commercial rates and I suspect that the
> > application
> > you describe would eat up at least 200 hours.
>
> That's amazing, considering i set up a tcp dcc proxy in mirc in 5 MINUTES,
> and set up http proxying (with of options) in mirc in AN HOUR. On win95.
Ok, how about this? Show us how you did the proxying in mIRC. Maybe that
will inspire someone else.
>
> I expect i'll be rebooting this weekend, and removing those two harddrives i'd
>
> have been using in a web venture, so don't start on a 200 hour coding spree.
> People have had the time already to earn the $100/$500, they didn't care to.
> Once the drives are out, i'll be out of here too.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
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>
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14. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 10, 2003
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15. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 10, 2003
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16. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 10, 2003
On 9 Jul 2003, at 23:04, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
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<snip>
Well, that got mangled all to hell by Topica. Ignore it. I sent 7 mirc files,
showing various proxying and interface control methods. One was how to
use a remote traceroute proxy (at a .edu) on http thru a remote proxy (Tiggr)
via irc. One was email reading, several servers and fetchers,
relaying/proxying to irc.
Kat
Kat
17. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 10, 2003
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18. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 10, 2003
On 9 Jul 2003, at 16:18, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:45:00PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> <snip>
> > > My feeling is that this will be a lot of work to develop correctly, so it
> > > may be difficult for people to donate much time. For example, $US500 would
> > > normally buy about 5 hours of my time at commercial rates and I suspect
> > > that
> > > the application you describe would eat up at least 200 hours.
> >
> > That's amazing, considering i set up a tcp dcc proxy in mirc in 5 MINUTES,
> > and
> > set up http proxying (with of options) in mirc in AN HOUR. On win95.
>
> Ok, how about this? Show us how you did the proxying in mIRC. Maybe that
> will inspire someone else.
Ok, attached find these files:
xlations2.txt is mirc script to translate using Bablefish, which is just about
anyone's feeble first attempt to provide language services to irc. It sits
between the irc user from anywhere, and Altavista's Bablefish, using my
address to do the http to Bablefish. Note mine also translates between all
the other languages, not just between other languages and english and vice
versa. Note also Bablefish sucks, and native speakers of the other languages
will laugh at you.
partyline1.txt is a tcp dcc relay, like a mini-ircd without services, and only
one channel. It did what i was asked to do. I can't find the one that started as
a raw internet tcp, and proxied to irc. This one, if it even works on newer
mircs, needs the irc ctcp handshake to work first,,,,,, if i remember right,,,
(who cares?).
script2.txt is a IRC/MUD translator, for using mirc scripts in a MUD. It won't
work on newer mirc, and that particular MU* has been gone for years.
email.mrc is written by someone else, it checks email, prolly won't work in
newer mirc versions.
httpserver10.txt serves web pages, and builds a directory listing as needed.
It's like Apache, in a way. It's THREADED.
webspider4.txt reads pages off of the internet and dumps the html to a mirc
@window. Or the status window.
tiggrdmsg.txt is the remote tcp user control panel for Tiggr, in mirc. It's
disabled in Tiggr now, no one was interested in it.
mwdefs.txt proxies the http server at Mirriam Webster for irc use. I don't
remember if i ever finished it. It took so long to get a page here that people
on irc gave up on it. I mined the entire site. I did the same for intellicast
weather pages, but i know it doesn't work anymore, because they changed
the webpages, while i had the code turned off because of abuse on irc. The
remote traceroute code is similar (not included here), it's also not done
automagically by Tiggr anymore. The traceroute used a remote trace,
proxying it thru my ip to anyone on irc.
None of these is likely to work on versions newer than 5.51, and i offer no
guarantees they might work, or that Sears sells the correct hat for you.
Anything else?
Kat
19. Re: proxy
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Jul 10, 2003
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20. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
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21. Re: proxy
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:57:13PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2003, at 10:18, Bernie Ryan wrote:
>
> >
> > It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require
> > duplicating
> > the same code used in an apache server. That would be very expensive and
> > time
> > consumming
>
> It isn't in mirc on a win95 box. <shrug>
I wonder ... how time comsuming would it be with Eu on a win95 box?
> jbrown keeps saying he has Eu code
> working as a proxy, read what he said yesterday.
I've attached what I have so far (a lot of this was set up by robsz1 btw).
Lets see who else wants to try to run this.....
(Nope, the attachment is too big. I'll post a link to it via a web page
soon.)
>
> > when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server with the $500
> > and set it up as a reverse proxy.
>
> Yeas, i know. Same as squid. But no one i know who knows nix will help
> me. And no one i contacted will allow squid to run in their shells, if i found
>
> someone to set it up. If it comes to being friends or otherwise working *with*
>
> anyone, i am always at the bottom of the pile.
The thing with most *nix hackers is that they aren't happy setting something
up for you. They give you hints so you can figure it out for yourself. If you
stay there and keep on demanding (or even politely asking) for more help they'll
just shut you out. They will do this to you, me, Bernie, Derek, and anyone
else. (I'm not condoning or condeming this, I'm just noting it for everyone's
benefit.)
>
> Kat
>
>
>
> TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
>
>
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22. Re: proxy
I got most of your attachments ... that looks like a lot of coding.
There is no way I could have written all that in 1 hour (let alone
5 minutes!).
Kat, you would seem to be an unusually quick program writer ...
if you knew Linux socket programming then you'd prolly be able to
write the reverse proxy yourself within 2 hours or so. :D Heh.
jbrown
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:21:26PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2003, at 23:04, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
> >
> > The following section of this message contains a file attachment
> > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format.
> > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system,
>
> <snip>
>
> Well, that got mangled all to hell by Topica. Ignore it. I sent 7 mirc files,
> showing various proxying and interface control methods. One was how to
> use a remote traceroute proxy (at a .edu) on http thru a remote proxy (Tiggr)
> via irc. One was email reading, several servers and fetchers,
> relaying/proxying to irc.
>
> Kat
>
> Kat
>
>
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23. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 11, 2003
On 10 Jul 2003, at 18:26, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:57:13PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9 Jul 2003, at 10:18, Bernie Ryan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require
> > > duplicating the same code used in an apache server. That would be very
> > > expensive and time consumming
> >
> > It isn't in mirc on a win95 box. <shrug>
>
> I wonder ... how time comsuming would it be with Eu on a win95 box?
Not time comsuming at all. There are several http servers and "browsers"
written in Eu. Linking them is no big deal. But a winbox would require
periodic rebooting, meaning that downtime is going to be there, no matter
what else happens.
This is all repetition.
Kat
24. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 11, 2003
On 10 Jul 2003, at 18:36, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> I got most of your attachments ... that looks like a lot of coding.
>
> There is no way I could have written all that in 1 hour (let alone
> 5 minutes!).
I never said i wrote all those attachements in 5 minutes. I wrote what i said i
wrote in 5 minutes. I wrote what i said i wrote in an hour. Adding flood control
so pervs couldn't foul things up took longer, and eventually i took all of it
down. I don't have a freaking remote proxy to cover my dialup.
> Kat, you would seem to be an unusually quick program writer ...
> if you knew Linux socket programming then you'd prolly be able to
> write the reverse proxy yourself within 2 hours or so. :D Heh.
I know.
Kat
> jbrown
>
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:21:26PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9 Jul 2003, at 23:04, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The following section of this message contains a file attachment
> > > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format.
> > > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system,
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Well, that got mangled all to hell by Topica. Ignore it. I sent 7 mirc
> > files,
> > showing various proxying and interface control methods. One was how to use a
> > remote traceroute proxy (at a .edu) on http thru a remote proxy (Tiggr) via
> > irc. One was email reading, several servers and fetchers, relaying/proxying
> > to
> > irc.
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> > Kat
> >
> > Kat
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25. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jul 11, 2003
On 10 Jul 2003, at 18:26, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:57:13PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9 Jul 2003, at 10:18, Bernie Ryan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It seems to me that to create a reverse proxy in eu would require
> > > duplicating the same code used in an apache server. That would be very
> > > expensive and time consumming
> >
> > It isn't in mirc on a win95 box. <shrug>
>
> I wonder ... how time comsuming would it be with Eu on a win95 box?
>
> > jbrown keeps saying he has Eu code
> > working as a proxy, read what he said yesterday.
>
> I've attached what I have so far (a lot of this was set up by robsz1 btw).
> Lets see who else wants to try to run this.....
>
> (Nope, the attachment is too big. I'll post a link to it via a web page
> soon.)
Same ole same ole. You send code you want me to debug. It's a list of hints
for my best interests in learning a new OS. I wanted to see a working
application. You can't zip the file, you can't break it up and send in pieces,
you can't send one file at a time, same ole same ole.
Forget it. I am tired of the same ole same ole.
> > > when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server with the $500
> > > and set it up as a reverse proxy.
> >
> > Yeas, i know. Same as squid. But no one i know who knows nix will help
> > me. And no one i contacted will allow squid to run in their shells, if i
> > found
> > someone to set it up. If it comes to being friends or otherwise working
> > *with*
> > anyone, i am always at the bottom of the pile.
>
> The thing with most *nix hackers is that they aren't happy setting something
> up
> for you. They give you hints so you can figure it out for yourself. If you
> stay
> there and keep on demanding (or even politely asking) for more help they'll
> just
> shut you out. They will do this to you, me, Bernie, Derek, and anyone else.
> (I'm
> not condoning or condeming this, I'm just noting it for everyone's benefit.)
I know that. It's a real shame. The "Hello World" demo for Eu doesn't have as
the first item "By yourself, learn how to pick the best Windows version,
install it, install all the patches, get all the correct drivers, install the
best
remote admin tools, learn all the least-used esoteric api calls, then get a gui
and install that, learn all about it, get kicked off linux.net a few times (for
your
benefit, naturally), have everyone you have ever asked for help tell you to go
read the refman files,,, and finally, set up Eu on your box with a bad
installer,
figure all the paths and permissions, link the correct user shells to it, then
open vi and start guessing what to do. This could result in getting your Eu
script running in 6 months, with luck, you can pick up your train of thought
on what application you wanted to write when you started all this. Alone."
I'll go back to the OSs i know best, if no one else thinks i should be online,
majority rules. Screw me, i'll leave. Forget it, jbrown, i don't want any more
"i'll send you the code i have soon". I don't want any more "read the refman
at www.crap.com". I'd have waited till Sunday evening to call it all off, but
you
wanna feed me the same ole crap, you miss out on the money *now*.
Kat
26. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 07:09:58PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 10 Jul 2003, at 18:26, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
<snip>
> Not time comsuming at all. There are several http servers and "browsers"
> written in Eu.
Yes, there's an http server for linux as well. It doesn't look any more
complicated than the Windows versions (I should know, I borrowed some of the
code for use in socketlib.eu).
> Linking them is no big deal.
Not that I've seen a working reverse proxy working in Windows and written
purely in Eu....
> But a winbox would require
> periodic rebooting, meaning that downtime is going to be there, no matter
> what else happens.
>
No comment.
> This is all repetition.
No comment.
>
> Kat
>
>
>
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27. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 08:05:24PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> Same ole same ole. You send code you want me to debug.
No.
> It's a list of hints
> for my best interests in learning a new OS.
No. (But to be fair if you wanted to test it personally you'd have to know
how to use Unix and configure Apache...only this has no hints on how to do
either.)
> I wanted to see a working
> application.
That's what I'm trying to send...the idea is for someone else (maybe robsz1,
since he knows the most about apache on this list afaik) to get the code,
set up apache and install the proxy code, and verify that it works.
That person could go as far as install the proxy on a remote linux box
on the internet, so you could do what you want (get an url and go there
to verify it yourself). I can't do that, I dont have a linux box
exposed on the net right now...so I want to give the code away so some else
who is in a better position than I can do it.
> You can't zip the file, you can't break it up and send in pieces,
> you can't send one file at a time, same ole same ole.
I could do all of that ... there's little point, since you yourself
would not be able use the code I'd be sending directly, you'd need someone
else to install it for you on the remote linux box (not *nix mind you) ....
once installed you could _configure_ it yourself ... but you need
to know basic *nix and Apache to even install the proxy code properly.
And you have already made clear that you do not want to learn those skills.
>
> Forget it. I am tired of the same ole same ole.
>
> > > > when you could simply buy a copy of an apache server with the $500
> > > > and set it up as a reverse proxy.
> > >
> > > Yeas, i know. Same as squid. But no one i know who knows nix will help
> > > me. And no one i contacted will allow squid to run in their shells, if i
> > > found
> > > someone to set it up. If it comes to being friends or otherwise working
> > > *with*
> > > anyone, i am always at the bottom of the pile.
> >
> > The thing with most *nix hackers is that they aren't happy setting
> > something up
> > for you. They give you hints so you can figure it out for yourself. If you
> > stay
> > there and keep on demanding (or even politely asking) for more help they'll
> > just
> > shut you out. They will do this to you, me, Bernie, Derek, and anyone else.
> > (I'm
> > not condoning or condeming this, I'm just noting it for everyone's
> > benefit.)
>
> I know that. It's a real shame. The "Hello World" demo for Eu doesn't have as
> the first item "By yourself, learn how to pick the best Windows version,
> install it, install all the patches, get all the correct drivers, install the
> best
> remote admin tools, learn all the least-used esoteric api calls, then get a
> gui
> and install that, learn all about it, get kicked off linux.net a few times
> (for your
> benefit, naturally), have everyone you have ever asked for help tell you to
> go
> read the refman files,,, and finally, set up Eu on your box with a bad
> installer,
> figure all the paths and permissions, link the correct user shells to it,
> then
> open vi and start guessing what to do. This could result in getting your Eu
> script running in 6 months, with luck, you can pick up your train of thought
> on what application you wanted to write when you started all this. Alone."
I concur. The *nix world could be a friendlier place to busy newbies ....
although I doubt your attitude helped much either.
>
> I'll go back to the OSs i know best, if no one else thinks i should be
> online,
> majority rules. Screw me, i'll leave. Forget it, jbrown, i don't want any
> more
> "i'll send you the code i have soon". I don't want any more "read the refman
> at www.crap.com". I'd have waited till Sunday evening to call it all off, but
> you
> wanna feed me the same ole crap, you miss out on the money *now*.
I didn't do this for the money. I did this to try to help you. But if this
is the thanks I get, maybe I was mistaken to even try.
Anyways, here is a link so someone can download the code and robsz1's test
pages, its all together in a neat bundle:
http://www.geocities.com/jbrown1050/katprog_tar_gz.html
Someone install linux on a box, install apache, delete the default apache
web site and extract this to the default dir (which was /home/httpd for me),
install euphoria, and then edit the apache config file to support using
exu programs as cgi scripts. (Not kat tho.) Then the whole thing should work
without a hitch. (Almost forgot, you need to tell the katprog program
what it is relaying (ip and port) but by kat's standards, that should be
implied.)
>
> Kat
>
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28. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 07:09:58PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 10 Jul 2003, at 18:36, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
> >
> > I got most of your attachments ... that looks like a lot of coding.
> >
> > There is no way I could have written all that in 1 hour (let alone
> > 5 minutes!).
>
> I never said i wrote all those attachements in 5 minutes. I wrote what i said
> i
> wrote in 5 minutes. I wrote what i said i wrote in an hour. Adding flood
> control
> so pervs couldn't foul things up took longer, and eventually i took all of it
> down. I don't have a freaking remote proxy to cover my dialup.
Hmm...that makes sense.
>
> > Kat, you would seem to be an unusually quick program writer ...
> > if you knew Linux socket programming then you'd prolly be able to
> > write the reverse proxy yourself within 2 hours or so. :D Heh.
>
> I know.
Just pointing out ... you have an unusual ability, and yet you expect that
everyone else should equal to this ability as well. (Ironicly, something
that most *nix hackers are guilty of as well ... thats the idea behind the
whole "RTFM" thing.)
(Also, I didn't look to closely at the attachments, I have no idea how mirc
tcp code works or what it provides ... for all I know mirc has reverse
proxying builtin. What I'm trying to say is that I have no idea how the
difficulty of mirc coding compares to that of coding in EU in Linux.)
>
> Kat
>
> > jbrown
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:21:26PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 Jul 2003, at 23:04, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The following section of this message contains a file attachment
> > > > prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format.
> > > > If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system,
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Well, that got mangled all to hell by Topica. Ignore it. I sent 7 mirc
> > > files,
> > > showing various proxying and interface control methods. One was how to use
> > > a
> > > remote traceroute proxy (at a .edu) on http thru a remote proxy (Tiggr)
> > > via
> > > irc. One was email reading, several servers and fetchers,
> > > relaying/proxying to
> > > irc.
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > >
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29. proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jun 19, 2003
I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http proxy on
nix, as i thought. Too bad no one here got a working proxy to me. Same ole
problem tho, my money isn't good enough for them. Since when do students
not need $500, sheesh.
Kat
30. Re: proxy
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:22:43 -0500 (06/19/03 16:22:43)
, <gertie at visionsix.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http proxy
> on nix, as i thought.
Unless I have evidence to the contrary, I must disagree with your source.
Did they give the reason(s) for saying the Eu has such a limitation?
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31. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 02:16:04PM +0000, Lucius Hilley wrote:
>
>
> Derek Parnell wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:22:43 -0500 (06/19/03 16:22:43)
> > , <gertie at visionsix.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http
> > > proxy
> > > on nix, as i thought.
> >
> > Unless I have evidence to the contrary, I must disagree with your
> > source.
> > Did they give the reason(s) for saying the Eu has such a limitation?
> >
> > --
> >
> > cheers,
> > Derek Parnell
> >
>
> I believe that jbrown has provided the sockets for linux that would be
> needed for her proxy task. A port of TCP4U to linux. IIRC.
I did that, but I'd recommend socketlib.eu, which accesses BSD sockets
directly. This gives support for asych sockets, unlike TCP4u.
> What kat is asking for is a sort of reverse proxy. With bells and
> whistles.
>
> Bells & Whistles:
> * Somehow be told what her dynamic IP is this time.
> * Web interface?
> * Windows Client side program to send her IP to the proxy?
It would probably be easiest if the program read the IP from a local file
or something, which in turn could be uploaded by kat every time her IP changes.
The silver lining with the method I suggested is that you only need a simple
gets() to get the IP in that case, which is easily done via Eu.
> * Denial to foward to her from an IP because she said so.
> * Web interface?
> * Add this IP to the list.
> You best date it in your database.
> She will probably want to know its age.
> Add a lifetime feature? - Length of time to Refuse.
> * Automatically removed Aged IP's?
> * Manual method to remove IP's
Again, uploading of a file with a list of ips (and ages) would be easiest.
This would require that the program be more fault tolerant (in case kat
makes a typo in the file or somesuch), but its still easier than writing a
web interface just for this purpose (although perhaps not as secure).
As for checking the ip of the connector against the list, accept(2) will return
the address of the caller in a C struct, so there is no problem with the IP's
retrival.
> * Settable Max # of connections to kat limit.
> * She is on dial-up!
> How many connections could she possibly handle at the same time?
In the BSD socket interface (to be more specific, in the listen(2) function),
the max # of connections is a required parameter, so there should be no
problems there.
> * Wants it to be in EU. Period.
> REASON:
> * Define new rules and features for the proxy using Euphoria code.
> She knows Euphoria, mIRC, and probably DOS batch.
> As smart as she is. I don't think she wants to go out learning
> any new languages all over the place. PERL, Python, C, Java...
> I'm sure the list goes on. Appears to have allergic reactions
> or something. (Reality: Learning is very time consuming.)
No comment.
>
> I don't have more to add at the moment.
> Other irc.sorcery.net #euphoria chatroom participants of this topic
> should add their two cents worth to what I have stated here.
>
> kat's proxy program has its best chance to see the light of day when
> all of its expected features and problems have been exposed.
>
> I truly hope that her project does come to exist.
> It is simply not within my current programming abilities.
> It would take me at least 2 or 3 years at my current rate of learning
> and devotion. (I have a severe lack of devotion.)
>
> Sincerely, Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar
>
> PS: Kat, please don't be overly offended by my remarks here.
>
>
I have a demo program that uses socketlib.eu; it's a very simple proxy (relay
would be a better term).
It doesn't work yet, but thats mainly because I haven't taken the time to work
on it a lot.
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32. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:22:43AM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http proxy on
> nix, as i thought.
What was the technical reason for this?
AFAIK there is no reason for this to be true.
> Too bad no one here got a working proxy to me. Same ole
> problem tho, my money isn't good enough for them. Since when do students
> not need $500, sheesh.
$500??? Thats a lot of money for this type of program.
>
> Kat
>
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33. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jun 20, 2003
On 19 Jun 2003, at 19:21, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:22:43AM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http proxy on
> > nix, as i thought.
>
> What was the technical reason for this?
>
> AFAIK there is no reason for this to be true.
Yet, no one here could send me a working program. And i said "name your
price" recently, meaning you could have said $500, and i'd have accepted.
> > Too bad no one here got a working proxy to me. Same ole
> > problem tho, my money isn't good enough for them. Since when do students not
> > need $500, sheesh.
>
> $500??? Thats a lot of money for this type of program.
And yet, it's not enough for you to code it last year. I'm not terribly
interested
in your version now anyhow, since i was told in #euphoria last year that it
was working, and during the following week i found bugs that stopped it from
working, and the last version you all supplied didn't work at all, and you
couldn't get it working even with the shell passwords. I didn't offer to pay for
a
version i had to do all the debugging on for you, i said i wanted a working
shell account with the proxy installed and running to my specs. It was never
done. No one has done it in PHP, Perl, Python, TCL, Lua, Eu, C, or anything
else. Not for a remote installation. Now they are saying re-code over a
megabyte of mirc scripts and all the Eu script in to PHP, and run that,, or
run 100% mirc code in wine on a nix box, which means i can't see mirc
running in an ftp session??
Kat
34. Re: proxy
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 07:05:26PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 19 Jun 2003, at 19:21, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:22:43AM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just told by some long-time nix-users that Eu can't be a http proxy
> > > on
> > > nix, as i thought.
> >
> > What was the technical reason for this?
> >
> > AFAIK there is no reason for this to be true.
>
> Yet, no one here could send me a working program. And i said "name your
> price" recently, meaning you could have said $500, and i'd have accepted.
You go to Cygnus Support or some similar company?
There are lots of companies and professional programmers who would be willing
to write you this custom program, considering the amount you are willing to
pay.
If you must have it in Eu though then thats a different story.
>
> > > Too bad no one here got a working proxy to me. Same ole
> > > problem tho, my money isn't good enough for them. Since when do students
> > > not
> > > need $500, sheesh.
> >
> > $500??? Thats a lot of money for this type of program.
>
> And yet, it's not enough for you to code it last year. I'm not terribly
> interested
> in your version now anyhow, since i was told in #euphoria last year that it
> was working, and during the following week i found bugs that stopped it from
> working, and the last version you all supplied didn't work at all, and you
> couldn't get it working even with the shell passwords.
I assume you mean katprog.exu
The problems of euforge were beyond my control to fix.
As for the program itself, it works. I just tested it on my local apache 5
minutes ago. (The ip it tried to connect to wasn't valid so it timed out, but
other than that it works.) I haven't completely debugged it, but only because
I stopped working on it since I was told it was no longer wanted.
Anyways, in the other email the relay program i was talking about was NOT
katprog.exu ... it uses socketlib.eu and runs standalone. (Actually this one
is the one that doesn't work ... relay seems to hang at some point, not
sure where or why yet.) Its called testproxy.exu and was intended to be an
example program for socketlib.eu
> I didn't offer to pay for a
> version i had to do all the debugging on for you, i said i wanted a working
> shell account with the proxy installed and running to my specs. It was never
> done. No one has done it in PHP, Perl, Python, TCL, Lua, Eu, C, or anything
> else. Not for a remote installation. Now they are saying re-code over a
> megabyte of mirc scripts and all the Eu script in to PHP, and run that,, or
> run 100% mirc code in wine on a nix box, which means i can't see mirc
> running in an ftp session??
No, you'd have to use VNC to see your mirc (VNC is a sort of graphical telnet
that is platform-independent, so you can see X programs running on a *nix
on a Windoze box and vice versa). See www.tightvnc.com for details.
>
> Kat
>
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35. proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jun 29, 2003
I can't believe a reverse proxy cannot be written in Eu, when
http://www.tfe.c64.org/ is running on a stock C-64 built over a decade ago:
+++RESP 467+++
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Server: Contiki/pre-1.1 (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/)
Forwarded: www.tfe.c64.org
+++CLOSE 467+++
Jeeze, maybe i should have stuck with the C64 after all.
Kat
36. Re: proxy
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 01:24:50PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> I can't believe a reverse proxy cannot be written in Eu, when
> http://www.tfe.c64.org/ is running on a stock C-64 built over a decade ago:
>
> +++RESP 467+++
> HTTP/1.0 200 OK
> Server: Contiki/pre-1.1 (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/)
> Content-type: image/png
> Forwarded: www.tfe.c64.org
> +++CLOSE 467+++
>
> Jeeze, maybe i should have stuck with the C64 after all.
>
> Kat
>
Its been done. I'm sending this every mail thru a proxy written in EU. (It
runs on Win98 however.)
jbrown
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once US Senator Hollings's CBDTPA bill is passed into law:
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37. Re: proxy
- Posted by gertie at visionsix.com
Jun 30, 2003
On 29 Jun 2003, at 15:31, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 01:24:50PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't believe a reverse proxy cannot be written in Eu, when
> > http://www.tfe.c64.org/ is running on a stock C-64 built over a decade ago:
> >
> > +++RESP 467+++
> > HTTP/1.0 200 OK
> > Server: Contiki/pre-1.1 (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/)
> > Content-type: image/png
> > Forwarded: www.tfe.c64.org
> > +++CLOSE 467+++
> >
> > Jeeze, maybe i should have stuck with the C64 after all.
> >
> > Kat
> >
>
> Its been done. I'm sending this every mail thru a proxy written in EU. (It
> runs on Win98 however.)
Your's is not an http proxy, not a reverse proxy, and not on a remote nix box.
It's not at all like i asked for.
Kat
38. Re: proxy
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 04:35:11AM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
>
>
> On 29 Jun 2003, at 15:31, jbrown105 at speedymail.org wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 01:24:50PM -0500, gertie at visionsix.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't believe a reverse proxy cannot be written in Eu, when
> > > http://www.tfe.c64.org/ is running on a stock C-64 built over a decade
> > > ago:
> > >
> > > +++RESP 467+++
> > > HTTP/1.0 200 OK
> > > Server: Contiki/pre-1.1 (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/)
> > > Content-type: image/png
> > > Forwarded: www.tfe.c64.org
> > > +++CLOSE 467+++
> > >
> > > Jeeze, maybe i should have stuck with the C64 after all.
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> >
> > Its been done. I'm sending this every mail thru a proxy written in EU. (It
> > runs on Win98 however.)
>
> Your's is not an http proxy, not a reverse proxy, and not on a remote nix box.
>
> It's not at all like i asked for.
>
> Kat
>
The 'proxy' for *nix via Apache (which was actually a CGI program btw) works.
(This is the one Unkmar directed me to write, in hindsight a mistake...a
standalone proxy in Eu would have been easier to write and debug.)
The proxy I'm writing via socketlib.eu should work in theory, altho it remains
buggy atm.
jbrown
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