1. R.e.s.p.e.c.t.
At 07:26 PM 4/25/98 +0200, Ralf wrote, regarding a
brief flurry of religious testimony on this list:
>Why is every1 expressing their beliefs ? Do they want to be >appriciated or
more positivily judged by other because of their >beliefs ? No offence, but
I keep wondering, why tell the world 'that >you're also a member of that
club' unless you think that people >might have more respect for you, which
shouldn't be a good thing >IMHO.
Personally am not offended by it, but some might be.
This list is about programming in Euphoria,
(which generates enough religious fervor of its own)
It would be a shame to lose anyone because they
felt uncomfortable because of this. Let's stick to offending
people who write bad code ;)
Speaking of respect: How many people are posting
in their second or third language? How many of these
are still in high school? How many of us would be able
to answer if they posted messages in Spanish, Dutch,
Portuguese or Chinese? Hmmm...? Think about it.
Irv (still working on his first language)
2. Re: R.e.s.p.e.c.t.
Irv wrote:
>Speaking of respect: How many people are posting
>in their second or third language? How many of these
>are still in high school? How many of us would be able
>to answer if they posted messages in Spanish, Dutch,
>Portuguese or Chinese? Hmmm...? Think about it.
I've hammered on Ralf in the past for things that are probably more =
related to a language gap than intent. As a native English speaker, I =
tend to forget that others may be struggling to express themselves, and =
nit-picking their grammar does little to help.
With an American-English keyboard at my desk, and the same set of fonts =
on my screen, it's easy for me to forget that there is a diverse set of =
people out there, with equally diverse hardware and language issues.
For example, there are problems with EE's cut and paste support, because =
non-English keyboards to return different scan codes than my keyboard. =
There are similar problems using the Alt keys to activate the menus.
I've also made a similar English-centric assumption with Win32Lib, using =
the ANSI routines instead of UNICODE.
Even with the latest DOS Window Manager that I've got, my bitmapped =
fonts do not (currently) include characters with diacritical marks. For =
something who's banner is "portability", I've already made some basic =
tatical errors.
There are also the people who are excluded because they don't have the =
most current hardware. Not everyone has a 200Mhz Pentium, or a SVGA =
monitor.
I appreciate those who have written to me and helped me try to make my =
code more inclusive. Isn't our goal to be united as a programming =
community - not divided over our differences?
-- David Cuny
